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Originally posted by GoSpeedGo! Yeah, my point was that this is still quite unusual in context of today's film marketing practice. It's not just Bay; most of the trailers for new movies cover at least 2 acts of the story - in some of them, like in the one for A Dangerous Method, you see almost the whole damn thing. I don't have to be an industry insider to notice this. Since you're so knowledgeable about all this, isn't it true that directors often don't have any control over what gets shown in the trailers? From what I've read these things are decided by other people who don't even have to be involved in production of the actual film. |
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Originally posted by DJ RANN The voice thing? Fuck, I don't know where to begin. It's part of the costume so he's not just Bruce wayne in rubber. And on the technical side of things, it's a little more complicated than "EQ". He's actually dubs the voice pretty close to that lower register and then they compress, eq and chorus it. It's a specific FX chain on a theatrical voice over performance. |
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Originally posted by GoSpeedGo! It's funny how quickly Nolan becomes a controversial subject whenever he gets brought up, even on TA. I think he's great, personally, and can't wait to see TDKR. The last trailer is interesting in that it doesn't tell us anything new about the plot. Compare that with the new Prometheus trailer which seems to give away lots of important information (though I think there'll stil be surprises). I guess TDK was so successful that now they don't have to tease people with another extensive promo campaign. |
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Originally posted by WittyHandle You forgot the extensive use of the flux capacitor and the offset matter / anti-matter ratio. Seriously, no one gives a fuck there DJ Flock of Seagulls. The point is that it was overdone and annoying in Dark Knight and they need to scale it back a bit on this one. |
I'm suspecting more and more that this will suck.
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Originally posted by WittyHandle You forgot the extensive use of the flux capacitor and the offset matter / anti-matter ratio. Seriously, no one gives a fuck there DJ Flock of Seagulls. The point is that it was overdone and annoying in Dark Knight and they need to scale it back a bit on this one. |
I think those of us who loved Batman Begins and TDK will love this.
But if you didn't care for Batman Begins and only liked TDK, you'll likely be disappointed. This one is obviously going back to being about Batman, as opposed to having the Joker steal the show (Not that it was a bad thing, that's exactly what the Joker should do).
And I, for one, loved the Bat-voice in the first film. It was a bit overdone in TDK, but I'm sure it'll be toned down in this one since a lot of people complained about it.
It looks like everyone with the name RANN in their handle are descendants of faggots who inexplicably reproduced with other faggots.
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Originally posted by srussell0018 It looks like everyone with the name RANN in their handle are descendants of faggots who inexplicably reproduced with other faggots. |
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Originally posted by srussell0018 It looks like everyone with the name RANN in their handle are descendants of faggots who inexplicably reproduced with other faggots. |
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Originally posted by DJ RANN |
I just wondered why I actually considered The Dark Knight watchable. Because it's a crappy movie if you break it down. The common answer is, of course, the Joker. But why? Is it Heath Ledger's great acting? No, the guy always was a mediocre dick. It's the concept. In TDK the Joker is so utterly chaotic and insane that he becomes credible. He feels like a real person, his traits and actions form an actual personality. That's what saves the movie.
Why saves? Because the Batman universe is bound to fail as a serious business movie. It's a guy in a bat costume. How the heck do you make that work? How do you make the audience believe that's an actual person? TDK failed at that, but it worked for the Joker. I guess Nolan partly realized this problem since he made that Bane or whatever his name is the new villain. He didn't go for someone ridiculous like the Penguin or the Riddler, you can't have them in a serious movie. But he can't get rid of Batman, the main character fucks up the movie. It can't work, I don't see any indication in the trailer that it'll work. Batman is bound to be this comic superhero, a collection of traits and gadgets and people surrounding him and a silly costume. The reason why TDK wasn't shit was because it was about the Joker and the script (with some help from Ledger) managed to make him a real crazy fuckin bastard. Nothing like that will happen in the new movie. It'll just be a shitty comic adaptation with some action and drama and that laughable bat costume.
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Bane is actually probably one of the best villains in the comic. He's definitely Batman's most worthy adversary, and I believe he even defeated him and broke Batman's back in a fight at some point. I think it'd be pretty satisfying to see Batman getting his ass kicked.
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Originally posted by Meat187 How do you make the audience believe that's an actual person? |
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Originally posted by GoSpeedGo! This is a wrong question to ask. Nolan's Batman isn't about "an actual person", his characters usually stand for something more abstract - a concept, an idea, if you will. You mention the silliness of the costume, but this is exactly one of the film's themes, or at least a part of it. It deconstructs the heroic figure and questions its function and purpose. |
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Originally posted by Meat187 Unless you're talking about Batman Begins, which I haven't seen, that's just not the case. There's hardly anything abstract about The Dark Knight. Of course you can interpret a lot of crap into it. But for me it's straight-forward, cheap and dumb. You can even find abstract ideas in Transformers if you're trying. Is it intended or not? What do I know? But the Transformers are not a symbol for anything, they are there for action and fights and explosions. And Batman is there to be Batman. Imho Nolan has failed to attach anything more to him. |
You seriously think Transformers means anything at all? The only meaning at all is from the ridiculous Optimus Prime monologue at the end of the movies. You know a movie is completely devoid of any artistic or metaphorical meaning when they actually have to explicitly tell you what it is at the end.
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Transformers is an arthouse film that elaborates on the dangers of technological encroachment within our society. The presence of the decepticons is analogous to the presence of devices and vehicles which serve to separate man from his earnest nature by way of self-preservation, and their status of control over individual spheres of safety given the avarice of the developed world. Even their name, decept-icon, entails a certain reverence for their ability to shift within society as tools of man, and lord over him when it suits their destructive directives. The ubiquity of commercial presence in the film is in fact meant to be an ironic take on the delivery of advertising in our modern age, as it flaunts it directly and without reservation or coherence, as if to say we are drowning within the deluge of profitable information by way of entertainment as the new standard for competence. The director of the film, Michael Bay, is a subversive fellow staunchly opposed to corporate funding for his works of art, and mocks the fellow Michael Bays of the industry by ensuring an ironic explosion every 30 seconds. It's as though he is saying that, in our world, everything is combustible - a witty comment on the malleability and dichotomy of social and physical structures. Meagan Fox stars in the film as an everywoman disguised as a supermodel celebrity, representing the inevitability of female empowerment in intuitive roles. Her stolid grace is a juxtaposition on the expected role of women in vital roles of emergence (government, leadership) wrought with the summary expectation of obviously sexist individuals who might idolize her own devices for procreative ritual - which I believe is where the film comes full-circle. If we are to interpret the existence of encroaching mechanical beings as our competetitors for ideological codependence, then certainly there is a place for the machinations of biological imperative within the true understanding of our evolutionary future. Thank you, Transformers. Thank you. |
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Originally posted by srussell0018 You seriously think Transformers means anything at all? The only meaning at all is from the ridiculous Optimus Prime monologue at the end of the movies. You know a movie is completely devoid of any artistic or metaphorical meaning when they actually have to explicitly tell you what it is at the end. |
Of course I did! This is America!
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Originally posted by srussell0018 You seriously think Transformers means anything at all? The only meaning at all is from the ridiculous Optimus Prime monologue at the end of the movies. You know a movie is completely devoid of any artistic or metaphorical meaning when they actually have to explicitly tell you what it is at the end. |
I never saw the third one, so I can't comment on that, but
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Transformers are actually the most ideological films of the last decade, and therefore should be thouroughly examined and analyzed. That doesn't mean they're inherently worthy of some artistic acclaim, just that they are culturally important. |
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Originally posted by srussell0018 No. |
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