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Posted by viperx29 on Jun-20-2014 22:00:

How many more left


Posted by Guest on Jun-20-2014 23:16:

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Originally posted by Chimney
Had my last exam today. 5th year of university done


Gz mate!


Posted by Chimney on Jun-21-2014 00:27:

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Originally posted by viperx29
How many more left


One.

quote:
Gz mate!


thanks


Posted by FuzzQi on Jun-21-2014 06:42:

What happened to the thread discussing the chick getting punched in the face?


Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-21-2014 08:25:

I learned way more about FFTs and filtering than I had planned to just so I could make people sound like the probe droids from The Empire Strikes Back when they talk.


Posted by Vector A on Jun-21-2014 13:26:

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Originally posted by FuzzQi
What happened to the thread discussing the chick getting punched in the face?

Mods deleted it, I imagine. Or maybe Orangest-O did.


Posted by FuzzQi on Jun-23-2014 02:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Vector A
Mods deleted it, I imagine. Or maybe Orangest-O did.


Damn, I thought TA was grown up enough to handle a sensitive topic


Posted by Lira on Jun-23-2014 03:30:

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Originally posted by FuzzQi
Damn, I thought TA was grown up enough to handle a sensitive topic

Wasn't me 


Posted by Vector A on Jun-24-2014 01:25:

"Amazon Is Killing My Sex Life" (or "Why tech industry workers are boring dates"): http://www.damemagazine.com/2014/05...ing-my-sex-life


Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-24-2014 02:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Vector A
"Amazon Is Killing My Sex Life" (or "Why tech industry workers are boring dates"): http://www.damemagazine.com/2014/05...ing-my-sex-life


And people on TA wonder why I don't have a "real" job. Because it'd involve working at Amazon or MS then you are basically tainted. You can't say you work there because it is an instant "oh."

Plus community college girls are easier.


Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-24-2014 02:38:

Actually to further expand on that article, it isn't only the women that hate the Amazon employees. Most of them are fucking douche bags that couldn't program themselves out of a paper sack if they needed to. They're fucktard idiots who never had an interest in programming and took it up in college, learned all the worst practices, and then got a job with a bunch of other idiots.

People wonder why good software is dying, and it is because the current generation of domestic programmers are fucking tools who have no ability to think on their own and be creative and the companies that hire them split the workload between that and shitty programmers in the Philippines and South East Asia.

The only way to have any self respect as a programmer these days is to be doing something new and innovative and the only way to be happy is to be doing something you love while being new and innovative.

This is why I've taken a year of art history instead of engineering classes.


Posted by Vector A on Jun-24-2014 02:46:

I dunno, seems like everything is oriented toward the cashout these days. Put some "app" out there that gets a few dozen thousand downloads, get bought up by a larger company. Then claim that you're "changing the world" or "disrupting existing industries" somehow. That's today's innovation for ya.


Posted by Vector A on Jun-24-2014 02:48:

But there's still all those dudes working on memristors and shit for old guard companies. Sometimes I think it would have been better to do computer engineering than CS.


Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-24-2014 02:49:

I've kept tooling around on my radio software for four years now trying to get it back to a commercial state on my own.

Last week I added a feature that turns peoples voices into gibberish while still retaining language like qualities. I made it so now you can make other people speak another language you don't understand... Unless you can speak both, in that case you have to be an interpretor. It sounds dumb to most people, but it's actually a pretty neat feature that simulates working with multi-national forces that do not speak the same language.

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Originally posted by Vector A
But there's still all those dudes working on memristors and shit for old guard companies. Sometimes I think it would have been better to do computer engineering than CS.


Yea, engineering is where it is at, but I like programming more I think.


Posted by Vector A on Jun-24-2014 02:54:

Time for another whiskey.


Posted by Vector A on Jun-24-2014 02:59:


Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-24-2014 03:03:

You should go back to making music.

I should take my own advice.


Posted by Vector A on Jun-24-2014 03:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
You should go back to making music.

I should take my own advice.

Haha, I miss it sooooo much. But I ought to be spending my energy on other more "productive" things at the moment.


Posted by Lews on Jun-24-2014 06:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Vector A
"Amazon Is Killing My Sex Life" (or "Why tech industry workers are boring dates"): http://www.damemagazine.com/2014/05...ing-my-sex-life


Amusingly, all the women I've met who work for Amazon are boring as shit, too. I think the company just attracts a lot of boring people.


Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-24-2014 06:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Lews
Amusingly, all the women I've met who work for Amazon are boring as shit, too. I think the company just attracts a lot of boring people.


It does. Think about it, their main products are all boring to the average person in terms of design. It is all databases, intercommunications, virtualization, server management, etc. There is very little "exciting" code that a normal person would understand, which is a very small subset to begin with and mostly consists of video games, because that is something tangible.

Amazon's products ARE boring. I'd not want to work on their platforms, it seems tedious. Yea they offer a lot of really cool services, but the services are cool to use, not build (at least from my point of view, I know some people that'd love to be in the depths of virtualization).


Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-24-2014 06:52:

Also I think that a CS degree is probably a soul sucking affair. You have to learn A LOT, in a very short time. Most programs are fairly intensive, leave little room for fun, and are pretty serious and competitive degrees. You end up with people that essentially go from HS where they don't really have a real life to getting a CS degree in 4 years and basically not having a life during their college years. God forbid they go to grad school in the same field.

I am glad I picked up programming when I was in middle school/high school. I am glad I started working when I could at 20 instead of going to college. I am glad I am doing college now and so far I haven't focused on ANY computer sciences stuff.

I have well developed hobbies OUTSIDE of what I do for work, AND I also enjoy what I do for work. A CS degree is a joke in the long run. As long as you have the skills and the ability to demonstrate your abilities (which CS is a field where that is extremely easy to do on your own) then you are set. I honestly think that anyone who went to school for a CS degree was probably cheating themselves (sorry JBJ).


Posted by Psyshell on Jun-24-2014 07:09:

I'm going to be starting a CS (or possibly software engineering) degree next semester (I'm currently doing some programming in the course I'm in atm though as well). I know the real learning for programming involves either real experience or the tinkering you do outside of uni/college but I still want to do it anyway. It's necassary for some jobs, yes you can get a job without a degree but there are plenty of people that only hire people with degrees.

I also fundamentally do want to learn and college based learning is something I actually enjoy. It's a bit weird working through begineer/intermediate java (or whatever language) books and then finishing them. I know I've finished them and that's all well and good but it just doesn't feel like a level of something that you can compare to anything else. So far I've done medium to hard stuff in my spare time (challenging myself) and done somewhat easy stuff in my course. Despite that though I still feel far better when I've done all the work for my course. I know it's an actual qualification and it's nice to have achieved that even though I know that's not do with my real skill level. Anyway, point is I feel like while tinkering is good/important in my spare time that academic style learning is useful to me as well. No doubt it's similar with many other people.

Also, one thing that's certainly the case with programming is that there's a wide variety of skill levels. You're far more likely to not have a life if you're not very good at it. The final thing is that I'm gonna be working for 40+ years probably so any learning that's better to do in industry I will get to eventually anyway. For the chance of a big boost to my employability initially and overall I think spending 3-4 years of my life in decent degree is a good idea.


Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-24-2014 07:21:

Well yea, agreed, if you didn't start when you are 10-12 then you need to go to college for it. If it something you realized you wanted to do later in life then college is of course a benefit.

If you come out of high school though already knowing 90% of what an undergraduate degree would teach you it's probably better to start looking for work right out of HS and keep going doing that because you'll be a 22-24 year old with 4-6 years experience working in the real world where as a graduate is going to have no experience and be the same age.

And yea, learning never stops in any programming job. I think a lot of programmers get out of college and go "well done!" and then they try and get a job and if they aren't successful right off the bat they'll quickly be done for good. If programming to them is just a marketable skill and not a passion they might start to lose their value as a worker because coming out of school you are already at a disadvantage in terms of new skills and current practices because the academic environment is often far too slow to adapt to the industry.


I don't know. I have been programming for close to 20 years now, and even I get sick of it sometimes, and working a programming job is usually pretty shit. It is highly skilled labor, but it isn't creative really for the most part. You'll code monkey for a long time, and if you aren't a creative person that is able to demonstrate your ability to innovate you'll probably just be a code monkey for your entire career (and it'll be a much shorter one, if you aren't working in management by the time you are in your late 30s then you can forget about it).

Sorta rambling, but my advice is if you don't feel a real passion for programming then think about other options along the way, if you are doing it in school and going "this sucks" for any other reason than already knowing more than the professors then you probably should think about changing degrees.


Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-24-2014 07:26:

Also as far as places that require a degree, those are usually the places that suck to work at. The big places, where you'll start out making 60-80k a year but you'll hate your life, you'll be working 60-70 hours a week, with no over time pay (especially if you get a job in WA or CA).

The places that lack the need for huge bureaucracy in something like an HR department are the fun places to work. The 20-100 employee places, where hiring is done by your manager. You might not make as much right off the bat, and the hours are probably going to be just as bad in a lot of cases, but you are going to be allowed to be more creative just by the size of the business alone.


Posted by Psyshell on Jun-24-2014 07:33:

Yeh no doubt, and I'll be looking into the differences between working for major companies and small businesses more when I'm closer to that stage of my career. With that said though, I have heard that there's some seriously braindead HR people around who do highly value that over actual skills. For instance a friend of a friend of mine said how she's been in charge of hiring 100s of people before for companies but she can't get a job at microsoft or ibm because she doesn't have a degree. Even if I end up working for small/medium businesses the majority of the time there still may be times when I want/need to work for companies that value that, maybe a new server system has been devised and I want to have on my resume that I've managed large numbers of machines. Regardless, it's only ~10% of my adult years and if I have that and I'm good then there won't be anything to hold me back, wheras if i don't have a degree it'll be something I'll always have to keep in mind.

I do also really like programming, although unfortunately i didn't really start when I was 12. That doesn't mean I don't really like it though. Thanks for the info, I'll keep it in mind. I just thought it'd be relevent to share my situation and my thoughts on CS degrees. I honestly expect it to be pretty fun.


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