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Originally posted by TranceLover007 What is your bass setup man and what octave are you have your pad/s on - sounds like your pad and bass are in conflict a bit - you will have to find a way for your low end (bass line) to punch through your production. Darek

Yeah...Above wall of text in a nutshell -> I have inadequate bass monitoring, in both gear and room.

Pads reside on 3rd and 4th octaves.

Bass resides on 3rd and 4th octaves.

Subtly sidechain bass to pad perhaps?

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Originally posted by theterran Yeah...Above wall of text in a nutshell -> I have inadequate bass monitoring, in both gear and room. Pads reside on 3rd and 4th octaves. Bass resides on 3rd and 4th octaves. Subtly sidechain bass to pad perhaps?

Yeah, so now we know what is creating this low end problem and at this point the best way of finding good solution to it is to go back to basic.

Run your drums and bass together and see if you have to EQ them to some degree to find nice balance, then add your pad/s to this equation and see what kind of overlapping (specifically in low end) you have.

Lets start with that.

Darek

I have similar dilemma in my latest WIP as I was going for smooth and chillout production but with some punch and dynamic effect - still working on it and my do some more cleaning and adjusting (EQ/frequency speaking) - this is only an initial preview lol

Darek

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 I have similar dilemma in my latest WIP as I was going for smooth and chillout production but with some punch and dynamic effect - still working on it and my do some more cleaning and adjusting (EQ/frequency speaking) - this is only an initial preview lol Darek

So the drums in the intro sound bit naff, but once the synths come in they sound good.

Very positive optimistic vibe in the melodies and sound choices.

BUTtttttt - that vocal snippet that begins at 0.51 is dreadful, sounds like Donald Duck!!

Overall a great vibe

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Originally posted by theterran Have heard this before...I try to use my hi-fi responsibly as a reference knowing this. I understand this is also the reason most producers are warned against using a sub with their monitoring setup...Where they hear a fairly balanced mix, but the mixdown ends up being weak in the lows on other systems because the sub is overcompensating. Same reason I wouldn't ever trust my DT880's with bass, even though they're one of the more bassier reference cans out there...The mixes will do the opposite, and come out boomy and bloated. I believe professionally mixed trance is done that way for the aforementioned reasons. By mixing your low-end a bit light, you can get more mid-range. The big ass system will pump out more than enough bass, where no sacrifice needs to be made to mid-range or dynamics in the mix itself. Not saying I'm doing this for that reason...I simply don't have the gear to accurately monitor in the 20-150hz region. It really is a crap-shoot with the low-end in my case though, and getting some proper low-end monitoring, so I don't have to play bass / sub-bass lawn darts, is definitely high on my priority list. I'll have a go at a separate mix and see if I can't get something a little more headphone / earbud friendly, since that's what most people usually use to listen with at their computers or on the go. Thanks for the feedback though, I appreciate it, and will keep it in mind.

I really enjoy your track a lot, the dark melodies are excellent.
I'm no expert but the bass sounds pretty good, but the kik for me is too whoopy as I said before so it's tacking a lot space, but that's just a personal thing perhaps.

I read what you said about a static loop getting you more in the zone on the floor, I agree, but just vary the hats a bit here n there I think.

Very nice track tho

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Originally posted by Richard Butler So the drums in the intro sound bit naff, but once the synths come in they sound good. Very positive optimistic vibe in the melodies and sound choices. BUTtttttt - that vocal snippet that begins at 0.51 is dreadful, sounds like Donald Duck!! Overall a great vibe

Thanks brother for your respond - this vocal snippet is actually a electric guitar with flanger and chorus on it lol so it is really funny that (and you are right about it) sounds like vocal chops lol.

Intro will be work on as it is still too early to focus my attention on it.

Cheers Richard

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 I have similar dilemma in my latest WIP as I was going for smooth and chillout production but with some punch and dynamic effect - still working on it and my do some more cleaning and adjusting (EQ/frequency speaking) - this is only an initial preview lol Darek

Unfortunately I read Richard's response first. So when the alleged vocal sample under scrutiny came in, it sounded like she/it was saying "Quaaack quaaaack quaaack". You get a free 2nd opinion from my end, as my roomate was wandering around and asked wtf I was listening to, quack quack?

We agree with Richard on the vocal sample. Personal preference(s), yadda yadda.

The harder part, I guess is offering thoughts on what to maybe do with it instead?

I think, Vocal sample at 00:24 is nice. This seemed like typical lead-in technique to the actual vocal lyrics. Which is kinda what I was expecting as a listener. Is there a full lyrical melody associated with that snippet? or is just a snippet...?

Vocal samples at 00:37 and 00:39 are nice too. Reminds me of the vocal snippets used frequently in chillstep, to add to that light, cheery vibe.

The first sample in conjunction with the 2nd could probably make for nice vocal snippet interplay if used a little closer together, in conjunction with the beat.

Not sure on the processing for the quack quack vocal sample. I'm guessing disco-style flanger to get it match up with the funky guitar riff at 1:18? Maybe ease up on it a bit? Or just stick with clean vocal snippets.

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Originally posted by theterran Unfortunately I read Richard's response first. So when the alleged vocal sample under scrutiny came in, it sounded like she/it was saying "Quaaack quaaaack quaaack". You get a free 2nd opinion from my end, as my roomate was wandering around and asked wtf I was listening to, quack quack? We agree with Richard on the vocal sample. Personal preference(s), yadda yadda. The harder part, I guess is offering thoughts on what to maybe do with it instead? I think, Vocal sample at 00:24 is nice. This seemed like typical lead-in technique to the actual vocal lyrics. Which is kinda what I was expecting as a listener. Is there a full lyrical melody associated with that snippet? or is just a snippet...? Vocal samples at 00:37 and 00:39 are nice too. Reminds me of the vocal snippets used frequently in chillstep, to add to that light, cheery vibe. The first sample in conjunction with the 2nd could probably make for nice vocal snippet interplay if used a little closer together, in conjunction with the beat. Not sure on the processing for the quack quack vocal sample. I'm guessing disco-style flanger to get it match up with the funky guitar riff at 1:18? Maybe ease up on it a bit? Or just stick with clean vocal snippets.

Cheers man lol - this may require me to either modify this guitar (and FX on it) or go for some completely different sounds

There is tones of elements/sounds I can use as replacement for this quaccck, quaacccckkkk lol lol lol sound lol.

Appreciate man,

Darek

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Thanks for the feedback guys. This is the other track on the EP I am sending out Very Blondie Heart Of Glass baseline done on Roland JDXA Having so much fun making music I like for once. Not trying to follow fashion, not even A/Bing as it often makes me get lost on what I was originally intending https://soundcloud.com/butlerrichard/first-contact

Interesting work Richard, not as cleaver as some of your other productions but quality and creativity it appreciated - still not set on your kick but is mostly personal thing lol - also your bass is off-beat or just side-chain gives me this impression?

Cheers,

Darek

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Thanks for the feedback guys. This is the other track on the EP I am sending out Very Blondie Heart Of Glass baseline done on Roland JDXA Having so much fun making music I like for once. Not trying to follow fashion, not even A/Bing as it often makes me get lost on what I was originally intending https://soundcloud.com/butlerrichard/first-contact

Sounds more like an oriental riff bassline at 1:49 to me. But I still dig it.

I think the guitar sound around 2:00 might benefit from a shorter end-phrase note with a longer release, instead of holding down the note, shorten it up, and automate a longer release for the section being held, or use re-verb if messing with the release isn't possible. 2:11 -> 2:13'ish for example.

Could even probably have it release into the breakdown. The sidechain plus the released decay should give a cool breakdown effect.

The transition into that middle-eastern'ish vibe with the vocals towards the end was a bit jarring for me...

Other than that, pretty cool overall though. I liked it.

sorry for the repeat posting. This is now mastered and downloads are enabled. No label this time so i have to try and promote it myself

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Interesting work Richard, not as cleaver as some of your other productions but quality and creativity it appreciated - still not set on your kick but is mostly personal thing lol - also your bass is off-beat or just side-chain gives me this impression? Cheers, Darek

Yes I moved the bass to be slightly off-time as I like that vibe of late, not too locked down and quantized

Kick is too dry / dull you think?

I think I need to add some 80's Fashwave style pads through this track?

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Cheers man lol - this may require me to either modify this guitar (and FX on it) or go for some completely different sounds There is tones of elements/sounds I can use as replacement for this quaccck, quaacccckkkk lol lol lol sound lol. Appreciate man, Darek

Maybe a cluck-cluck?

Terran you're comments on the Duck quack & your room mate wandering about really made me chuckle

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Originally posted by chris marsh sorry for the repeat posting. This is now mastered and downloads are enabled. No label this time so i have to try and promote it myself

Still love this track dude. Surprised it didn't get signed. It is very generic sounding for that London 2000-ish era, IN A VERY GOOD SENSE (in the same way the new 80's Fashwave is generic but often brilliant and superbly executed)

The sounds, mix and everything are on point.

Would love to borrow some of your vocals.......
I never manage to find good singers for free and I don't want go paying for them up-front

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Originally posted by chris marsh Really good man. Nailed it imo. Might add something constructive (if i can think if anything) later when at home

I wonder about;

+ Is kick too wooden / big
+ Do I need to layer the bass / other synths a bit more (thing is I love techno type tracks with not much melody in the drops as I feel they hit really well)

+ That sustained vocal in the drop - I think it's too quiet?

I have to just sort outro transitions btw

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Originally posted by chris marsh sorry for the repeat posting. This is now mastered and downloads are enabled. No label this time so i have to try and promote it myself

You really should contact Chill channel on SiriusXM ( https://www.facebook.com/siriusxmchill/) - they have this "Chill After Hours" section which would be excellent for your track Chris.

Cheers,

Darek

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Kick is too dry / dull you think?

IMHO yes it is but this is only my taste lol - also can you look at your bass and see if you can run it the same way like your arp mid level bass if you know hat I mean (I think you could time those sequence nicely together to have more punchy effect)

Cheers,

Darek

Which of those two version of the same production is most appealing to you:

1. Vocal version but those are only a short verses and repeated few time for space reservation - you can have a sense of style of this vocal which to me is really interesting and adding a spark to this track.



2. Instrumental version



Instrumental is a bit easy for release as you own 100% royalties lol but vocal one add some attractiveness to this production.

Which one do you like the most?


Darek

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Which of those two version of the same production is most appealing to you: 1. Vocal version but those are only a short verses and repeated few time for space reservation - you can have a sense of style of this vocal which to me is really interesting and adding a spark to this track. 2. Instrumental version Instrumental is a bit easy for release as you own 100% royalties lol but vocal one add some attractiveness to this production. Which one do you like the most? Darek

Hi Darek, not really a fan of these, they sound too euro-pop for me or something, sorry!

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Originally posted by evo8 Hi Darek, not really a fan of these, they sound too euro-pop for me or something, sorry!

This is perfectly fine with me man, not all of us has to like any particular style - this is more in line with Retro-wave or Synth-wave style which is currently popular on Anjunabeats (similar to FM84) lol.

Cheers man,

Darek

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Which of those two version of the same production is most appealing to you: 1. Vocal version but those are only a short verses and repeated few time for space reservation - you can have a sense of style of this vocal which to me is really interesting and adding a spark to this track. 2. Instrumental version Instrumental is a bit easy for release as you own 100% royalties lol but vocal one add some attractiveness to this production. Which one do you like the most? Darek

I prefer this without vocals man

Nice melodies and use of echo / verb on them but it sound a bit iffy on the drums

Here's the final WIP in the 3 tracks I'm going to be sending out (inc' the most recent 2 on here)

I think this is the strongest but it almost made itself, never found a track this easy

Need fresh ears on the mix

https://soundcloud.com/butlerrichard/dark-sex

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Here's the final WIP in the 3 tracks I'm going to be sending out (inc' the most recent 2 on here) I think this is the strongest but it almost made itself, never found a track this easy Need fresh ears on the mix https://soundcloud.com/butlerrichard/dark-sex

Definitely - Make Me Sad > Dark Sex > First Contact in terms of overall production for the set imo. Musicality / Mix / etc...

Dark Sex Mix sounds pretty balanced overall. I can't turn it up past 50% volume on my headphones though, My Cans do not like that mix at higher volumes "for some reason". Seems ok on the hi-fi system and 50m's though.

There's also a piece of drumkit that comes in at 2:45 that "sticks" out volume-wise. Not too much, just enough to be distracting / irritating.

Not going to give more specific critique than that though. I know what SC does, especially to hihats. They come across *slightly* harsh to me on the stream, which means they're probably fine in a higher quality format.

Make Me Sad is definitely winner winner chicken dinner for that set though. Good work, good luck.

I think Make Me Sad is the pick of the 3 Rich

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Here's the final WIP in the 3 tracks I'm going to be sending out (inc' the most recent 2 on here) I think this is the strongest but it almost made itself, never found a track this easy Need fresh ears on the mix https://soundcloud.com/butlerrichard/dark-sex

The low end is WAY too boomy for my liking here.

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