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Originally posted by Psyshell Unfortunately i didn't really start when I was 12. That doesn't mean I don't really like it though.

Don't be encouraged by starting late. If you can grasp the most basic stuff about programming quickly, it's highly likely you'll be better off choosing the topics you learn and actually learning them by your own than by going to school, but it's your choice. If you can find a sort of mentor who has time for you, you're better set than going to school in my opinion. Just remember to read and work a lot on your spare time. That's what you'll be doing for the rest of your working life if you choose to work in programming anyway. Then again, if you feel more confident with someone actually teaching you stuff, school just might be the thing for you.

At least for me school didn't really do all that much considering programming / anything CS, since most of the courses, in the end, are just a scratch on the surface of the subject, and you're still left to study most of the stuff on your own (although it wasn't actually a CS degree for me). But I got a lot of contacts there, scored my current job there (backend dev. and db design), and met the people I started my company with there.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby And yea, learning never stops in any programming job.

Much like many other jobs, yes. It might sound like a huge load of shit, but at least for me, probably the best part of working a programming job is that I (at least think that I) learn new stuff daily at my job. I very rarely go to work and think "this shit again". If it's like that, it's probably about refactoring something really stupid I did earlier (but I have to admit, I think I even kind of like that too). And of course it depends on what kind of programming job you have..

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby The big places, where you'll start out making 60-80k a year but you'll hate your life, you'll be working 60-70 hours a week, with no over time pay (especially if you get a job in WA or CA).

Hm, maybe 10 years ago.

In any case, isn't University more or less free in Aus? Or at least severely discounted? I agree I cannot really advise someone to go 120k into debt before they're 21 in the US- especially when it comes to something like CS that you can really get a grasp for with sufficient reading and a lot of didactic writing. But like with any degree, the amount of interest and enthusiasm you sink into it while you are in school can make all the difference. If you don't have so much to lose save for the opportunity cost of 4 years work experience (not inconsiderable at all, just weigh your options), then definitely don't write University off. Though because of the nature of CS, you're better off seeking individual certifications at some point, rather than a mere Baccalaureate.

We snatch up programmers fresh out of school all the time- dudes who were able to do local government and even military simulation internships through their respective colleges. That's important - that's cool stuff we can put to use, and made possible by their educations.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Also as far as places that require a degree, those are usually the places that suck to work at. The big places, where you'll start out making 60-80k a year but you'll hate your life, you'll be working 60-70 hours a week, with no over time pay (especially if you get a job in WA or CA). The places that lack the need for huge bureaucracy in something like an HR department are the fun places to work. The 20-100 employee places, where hiring is done by your manager. You might not make as much right off the bat, and the hours are probably going to be just as bad in a lot of cases, but you are going to be allowed to be more creative just by the size of the business alone.

I really trust your judgement on this.

Nou, please tell me all about how jobs and the job market work. Tell me all the things about it I just never knew and don't know. *folds hands and waits with bated breath*

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Integrated Circuit Design is where it's at: VLSI CAD bitches.

Why stop at software?

hai, stu

http://www.reddit.com/r/birdswithhumanpenises

There are two kinds of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't.

clever.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On hai, stu http://www.reddit.com/r/birdswithhumanpenises

Whyyyyyyy

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Originally posted by Lagrangian There are two kinds of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't.

I thought the joke is there are 10 kinds of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't.

Maybe it was a really meta away of saying he doesn't understand binary?

I understand only base-pi arithmetic.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Maybe it was a really meta away of saying he doesn't understand binary?

I understand you can't get laid.

Your state machine goe From loser to sore un-laid loser to sore un-laid loser legend.

Im fucking sorry you are so inept at life....

I already travelled half way around the country and literally out lived you ... By a thousand Arabian (k )nights

The only time I'll remember Nou is when there's gum in my shoe/

Someone seems slightly obsessed. And wasted.

All i know is that I MAY be descendant of the Stone Henge generations; unaware of my full interstellar capacity.

Your ass is mine.

Come on, Lagrangian, just admit you totally fucked up the joke. No need to get all defensive

You got me all flustered

Delusions of Lagrangeur

TA AND DRUNK STILL WORK!

The only cure for a hangover is more alcohol!!

The only cure for making you shut the hell up is a punch in the mouth.

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