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Posted by Hides in Shadow on Jun-21-2019 00:19:

Oh there is Beatport cloud too, this ones interesting because you can preview the whole track and re download any track you lost like from a broken HD or computer.

https://www.beatport.com/subscriptions


Posted by DJ RANN on Jun-21-2019 00:45:

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Originally posted by Hides in Shadow
Yeah it's called Beatport Link, where you can stream everything onto the supported dj software.


They're streaming though. They've realized that it's cheaper to pay artists streaming rates than sell music.

It's only streaming though - they use the term "redownload" but AFAICT it just means streaming as many times as you want.

There's no way I'd ever rely on wifi during a set so it's a pass for me.


Posted by Hides in Shadow on Jun-21-2019 05:11:

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Originally posted by DJ RANN

It's only streaming though - they use the term "redownload" but AFAICT it just means streaming as many times as you want.


Oh frak it then, there are so many tracks I want back that I lost from a damaged HD.


Posted by Freak on Jun-21-2019 15:38:

It would take a special kind of crazy person to rely on streaming for a set....


Posted by Hides in Shadow on Jun-21-2019 17:01:

LOL tell that to Beatport.


Posted by DJ RANN on Jun-21-2019 18:49:

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Originally posted by Freak
It would take a special kind of crazy person to rely on streaming for a set....


Yep.

There's already enough shit to go wrong, but fuck it, lets rely on wifi or even better your phone data connection, in a club while playing out.


@Jaun

I think they're aiming at the bedroom DJ market (which in fairness is massive) and maybe the corporate/mobile DJ where you're you're doing a set in a office building or conference space.

Again, you'd still have to be nuts, but being able to fulfill every request for a track is how some DJ's make a living *shudders*


Posted by Hides in Shadow on Jun-21-2019 21:20:

What about weddings? and dance parties and the community stuff and what not.


Posted by DJ RANN on Jul-26-2019 21:46:

So phase sent out an email allowing 200 people to join their beta V2 firmware. They're testing the gestures and new stability and calibration fixes.

be interesting to see what they've come up with - I'm really eager to see if they've figured out a gesture for the CUE button. That would be a gamechanger.


Posted by Hides in Shadow on Aug-13-2019 21:39:

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Originally posted by DJ RANN
I've quite literally set up over 1000 technics and I can set up techs with a blindfold on (I've actually done it). It used to be my day job and I'm a Technics certified service engineer.

Setting up tonearm height, weight, skip, headshell angle needles really isn't difficult, that's not the issue but honestly, I've always found DVS fiddly. Sometimes you don't get a perfect signal donut, different needles give different outputs and then there's all the pluggin which takes it toll on connectors (and I really don't want to have to try to find and solder vintage vestax RCA sockets).


Since when and how long ago was this?


Posted by Hides in Shadow on Aug-13-2019 23:01:

Liar..1000x. Blindfold my ass and service engineer

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...44&forumid=8&s=

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Originally posted by DJ RANN
After nearly a decade mixing, I finally have got my all time dream set-up....but (thanks to my new sony MDR 7509 HD 'phones) it seems to have brought a problem to light that maybe I couldn't quite hear before: Needle setup.

I've done a fair amount of research, both my own over the years and various other sources but there seems to be a lot of debate and conflicting opinions on the correct set up for Ortofon concords. I'm not talking about just tonearm counter weight, but the tone arm height adjustment.

The general consensus is that 2.5g to 5g is acceptable depending on you mixing style but it's the height that there seems to be little or no accepted rule; some say have the lockring at 1, others at 4, 5 or 6. And yes, even though the manufacturer's guidelines are to have the tonearm level with the platter, this is firstly very hard to do accurately and also highly subjective for such a precise piece of kit.

The problem I have experienced, is that with the weight set 3g (good balance of tracking vs. protection for the record) is that when I play a tune and listen through the phone's or monitors, at the peak of the kick transient there is a short, small but noticable "flap" of bass (by this I mean a dull distortion of the lower frequencies. I though this could be my phones or monitors (as it is similar to a blown or worn driver) and it goes away when I exert more pressure (with my finger) on the needle. I have also tried running it through a pure phono amp so it's not the mixer either.

Does anyone have any input on their ortofon concorde setup or know what the actual tonearm height should be, in relation to counter weight and anti skip???


Took you a decade to ask that and find that out?


Posted by DJ RANN on Aug-13-2019 23:58:

Responded to you in the other thread.

Take your meds. Breath. Try not to get banned. Again.

I don't know what you're going on about. In my former life I was (among many other brands including Moog, Cycloops, Yama, etc) a service engineer for Pro audio , DJ and PA kit.

Technics come with technics headshells. Not ortofons. I know how I set them up but nearly every DJ I've ever met has their own setup. So do Shure. How does stating I've set up 1000's of decks in 2019 have anything to do with discussing preferences for deck setups in 2007, 12 years earlier?

What point are you trying to make or understand? Because I sure as shit don't.


Posted by Hides in Shadow on Aug-14-2019 17:37:

How the fuck can you service tech1200 which is was more difficult then calibrating it with a ortofon catridge. That is autistic disabled shit right there coming from you that doesn't make sense. I have a technics headshell with me right now and remember clearly whenI had my MK5g's, it's the same height with stock technics slipmats and without rubber mats.

What is the accurate tone arm height with an OM stylus & delicious "Technics Headshells"


Posted by Freak on Aug-14-2019 18:52:

Edited as I can't be assed arguing with retards (politically incorrect? Sue me).


Posted by Hides in Shadow on Aug-14-2019 23:32:

Alright.. I don't want to prove anything ill of Rann, frak it, this is going nowhere.

Lets get back on topic, my bad for being dramatic to begin with.


Posted by DJ RANN on Aug-15-2019 18:16:

Ugh, Freak is a more sensible man than I....

Juan you fail to understand that there's a ton of different ways to set up different cartridges. You even make adjustments going from the Ortofon Nightclub E to Nightclub O.

Unlike replacing the tonearm PCB, there's a ton of subjectivity about how different people like their needles setup. Me personally at home, I run low weight as I don't want to wear out my records and have zero vibration and good decoupling but it wouldn't fly at all in a club or bar setting, or with vinyl that's been thrashed or with people who really work the decks.

And here's another hint to point out how uneducated you are on this. You posted up that you're using 3g of weight on your ortofons but no anti skate and your perplexed as to why one channel of your mixer needs the EQ adjustment? Go figure. Literally.

As for tonearm height - don't take my word for it. Here's from the Ortofon service guide:


quote:
What should the tonearm height be set at for my cartridge?

Depending on the type of cartridge, the type of headshell, the turntable, and the mounting hardware used, there is no definitive answer. Adjust the height ring found at the base of the tonearm until the bottom of the plastic body, surrounding the cantilever of the stylus itself is parallel to the record during playback. This will ensure best sound quality and tracking.


In other words, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

Again.

Or is that just still no clue?


Posted by Hides in Shadow on Aug-15-2019 18:58:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN
Ugh, Freak is a more sensible man than I....

Juan you fail to understand that there's a ton of different ways to set up different cartridges. You even make adjustments going from the Ortofon Nightclub E to Nightclub O.

Unlike replacing the tonearm PCB, there's a ton of subjectivity about how different people like their needles setup. Me personally at home, I run low weight as I don't want to wear out my records and have zero vibration and good decoupling but it wouldn't fly at all in a club or bar setting, or with vinyl that's been thrashed or with people who really work the decks.

And here's another hint to point out how uneducated you are on this. You posted up that you're using 3g of weight on your ortofons but no anti skate and your perplexed as to why one channel of your mixer needs the EQ adjustment? Go figure. Literally.

As for tonearm height - don't take my word for it. Here's from the Ortofon service guide:




In other words, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

Again.

Or is that just still no clue?


I didn't want to continue but ya had to. Alright, that being said. That info from the service guide is just the beginning, for true accuracy, I bring a ruler and small flashlight to my gigs if I'm ever-changing needles. Tonearm height is the same for all version 1 Concordes, I never said tracking was the same.

I don't know how yet you claim you can change the PCB and inner circuitry and remove tonearm wire yet you have trouble putting the easiest of cartridges on the same unit?

Oh that thread, yeah you can mix with anti-skate after measuring with a blank vinyl, oldest trick in the book. It's just that I'm into turntablism unlike you and I was just looking for a new EQ technique and that was a common one lol. It gets boring doing long transitions just cutting lows from time to time. Also, please don't say the usual yeah I can do 5 min transitions on belt drives if I wanted to, BS prove it & Freak, don't say Rann doesn't have to he forgot how to mix or forgot how to service technics or w/e you said back there.


Posted by DJ RANN on Aug-15-2019 23:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Hides in Shadow
for true accuracy, I bring a ruler and small flashlight to my gigs if I'm ever-changing needles.


You bring a ruler and flashlight?

quote:
Originally posted by Hides in Shadow
Tonearm height is the same for all version 1 Concordes, I never said tracking was the same.


Tonearm height varies. If I remember right there was even a thread on Future producers where the lead tech from Ortofon USA confirmed as much. It should be the same on certain models but if you're going from one headshell to a concorde, how do you know what the deck is set up for?

AFAIK Ortofon has never published a standard height reference for any model. It comes down to getting a flat tone arm in relation to the platter, whatever that height may be on your deck (hint: slipmats change the height lol).


quote:
Originally posted by Hides in Shadow
I don't know how yet you claim you can change the PCB and inner circuitry and remove tonearm wire yet you have trouble putting the easiest of cartridges on the same unit?


As above, you're clueless.

quote:
Originally posted by Hides in Shadow
Oh that thread, yeah you can mix with anti-skate after measuring with a blank vinyl, oldest trick in the book. It's just that I'm into turntablism unlike you and I was just looking for a new EQ technique and that was a common one lol. It gets boring doing long transitions just cutting lows from time to time. Also, please don't say the usual yeah I can do 5 min transitions on belt drives if I wanted to, BS prove it & Freak, don't say Rann doesn't have to he forgot how to mix or forgot how to service technics or w/e you said back there.


This is just off the meds rambling. I'm not sure you even know what you're trying to say. EQ technique by setting one channel different to the others and that somehow calibrates it? What?

You're literally the definition of a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.

By the way, when were you born? I got my first belt drives (DLP1's) in 1995 and first set of 1210's in 1999. What were you doing in 1995?

I bet it has to do with crayons and mushy food.


Posted by Hides in Shadow on Aug-15-2019 23:24:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN
You bring a ruler and flashlight?


I won this round, thanks, google why you would need a ruler to measure tonearm height, because it looks like your newb self is totally clueless again.

quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN
Tonearm height varies. If I remember right there was even a thread on Future producers where the lead tech from Ortofon USA confirmed as much. It should be the same on certain models but if you're going from one headshell to a concorde, how do you know what the deck is set up for?

AFAIK Ortofon has never published a standard height reference for any model. It comes down to getting a flat tone arm in relation to the platter, whatever that height may be on your deck (hint: slipmats change the height lol).


That guy was corrected many times on that thread by the user members, his first info wasn't legit but got it right the third time. I'm talking about the stock technics slipmat that one that comes with your tech 1210 MK5g. All concordes will always be the same on those, I'm not talking about Dr Suzuki thick matts or butter rugs ffs.

There are 3 ways to measure tonearm height, one is the technics manual which you clueless about where you measure the Y and Z axis and apply it to the height.

quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN

This is just off the meds rambling. I'm not sure you even know what you're trying to say. EQ technique by setting one channel different to the others and that somehow calibrates it? What?

You're literally the definition of a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.

By the way, when were you born? I got my first belt drives (DLP1's) in 1995 and first set of 1210's in 1999. What were you doing in 1995?

I bet it has to do with crayons and mushy food.


quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN
EQ technique by setting one channel different to the others and that somehow calibrates it?



You are known for putting words in sentences that have nothing to do with the original point.^^^^

Where on earth did I mention EQ has to do with calibration, check your eye doctor man

Come back to me when you got something better to say other than that don't waste my time.


Posted by Freak on Aug-15-2019 23:29:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN
You bring a ruler and flashlight?



I think I did that under the bedsheets once when I was 13


Posted by Hides in Shadow on Aug-15-2019 23:30:

2 newbs

Cmon guys, the google search bar is waiting for you, type it in and hit it.


Posted by DJ RANN on Aug-17-2019 19:56:

It's bonkers, not least because the guys he's calling newbs have both worked in clubs as house engineers and have probably been mixing prior to Juan even being born.

But yet somehow whipping out a ruler in a club booth is the mark of a pro.

The best line in his recent meltdown was "I've been hitting the gym. I get mad eye contact".

You can't make that shit up.


Posted by Hides in Shadow on Aug-18-2019 17:00:


Posted by DJ RANN on Aug-21-2019 18:30:

I'm not going to even get in to this anymore with you.

Some random guy with a beaten up technics in his bedroom shows you he uses a ruler and suddenly that is the gospel.

Believe whatever you want to believe. There's no use trying to help you. You believe shit like your power conditioner is coloring your audio and you'd be better off without it and bringing a ruler to a club is normal.

It won't, and it's not.


Posted by Hides in Shadow on Aug-21-2019 19:53:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN

Some random guy with a beaten up technics in his bedroom shows you he uses a ruler and suddenly that is the gospel.

Believe whatever you want to believe. There's no use trying to help you. You believe shit like your power conditioner is coloring your audio and you'd be better off without it and bringing a ruler to a club is normal.

It won't, and it's not.


Hey Rann, you're a cool cat. I don't have any problem with you. I didn't mean to offend you or your background knowledge in the art of djing but I think this topic surprisingly falls on my side.

Ok, here is someone else, now with a "shinier" technics providing the same example bro. Please go to 3:33.



Now, what does power have to do with this subject? I was only skeptical about common subjects that were brought up around the studio production part of the web. I never came to that conclusion, what your doing is rambling. You can even bring the link to the thread here, I never said it once that I agree with those that said conditioned power colors the sound yet still curious on the subject.

Anyway, I rather not devise from the point at hand as you have, back to tonearm height.


Posted by DJ RANN on Aug-23-2019 22:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Hides in Shadow
Hey Rann, you're a cool cat. I don't have any problem with you. I didn't mean to offend you or your background knowledge in the art of djing but I think this topic surprisingly falls on my side.

Ok, here is someone else, now with a "shinier" technics providing the same example bro. Please go to 3:33.



Now, what does power have to do with this subject? I was only skeptical about common subjects that were brought up around the studio production part of the web. I never came to that conclusion, what your doing is rambling. You can even bring the link to the thread here, I never said it once that I agree with those that said conditioned power colors the sound yet still curious on the subject.

Anyway, I rather not devise from the point at hand as you have, back to tonearm height.


This is exactly what I'm talking about; you see some guy in his mashed up bedroom making a video with a ruler and you don't stop and think "that's a guy in his bedroom with a ruler", instead, you're like "This here be the truth". You seem so easily influenced by some random blogger that has a youtube channel. It doesn't mean he's the oracle. It means he wants followers on social media. Most of the top engineers in the world can't stand social media and they don't have youtube channels.

The bottom line is that they're using a ruler becuase they need to. When you've done it 1000 fucking times, you have your own techniques for every different setup, form technics m2 slipmats to mk5g slipmats, to headshell carts to concords and then based on DJ style etc,

The only really true common denominator is that the tone arm should be flat; level with the platter for most setups when viewed from the side, except where otherwise stated. You don't need a fucking ruler for that, not to mention - per that other thread - that there is a range of height that will accomplish the same result, so there is some personal preference.

I brought the power thing up becuase it's just another prime example (from the last week alone) of you believing really weird shit, just like watching a video and thinking that's the gospel.

Do whatever you want to do. You're a grown adult with alleged free will.


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