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Posted by Richard Butler on Jul-20-2017 11:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Evolve140
Word, if I go back to that version I will give it a shot! I just decided on a totally different re-work though. Hopefully it sounds better, I did tweak the sound/melody though.



This could be good.

The melodic grip is strong.

BUT, sound choices for me personally are not good at all. Big twanging guitar and the distorted guitar sound are just so boring IM like GM sounds of a Yamaha keyboard.

If you change up the sound and make it a bit more Ibiza - Head Kandi smooth this is a great track

IMO lol


Posted by evo8 on Jul-20-2017 17:23:

quote:
Originally posted by chris marsh
cheers for your ears yep its a difficult one because like i said i want it to be minimal and work with just the drums and bass, which i find quite a challenge. the last few tracks i did had full vocals/quite musical and i want to move away from that

the lead is introduced at the intro then doesn't come back until the break, im happy with that basic arrangement. Im just working on using vocal snippets here and there and incidental fx, but its quite difficult to make things fit and im finding with this one less is more. spent ours today trying stuff out and binned it all

id like to get it finished and move on to the next one with what i have learnt rather than changing anything too drastic

it may be that the bass on its own isn't quite "hooky" enough but next time i can work on that


totally hear you, i try to maintain as much space in my tracks as I can - the difficulty then becomes the fact that your existing parts and groove need to be interesting enough to carry the track on its own, not easy


Posted by chris marsh on Jul-20-2017 17:29:

quote:
Originally posted by evo8
totally hear you, i try to maintain as much space in my tracks as I can - the difficulty then becomes the fact that your existing parts and groove need to be interesting enough to carry the track on its own, not easy


yes for sure. my last few tracks the bass was just underpinning some musical stuff and vocals on top - so its a totally different ball game. i really want to crack this whole "mid bass" deal but its been bloody hard!

i think yo may be right though and i might keep the pluck/lead in at a very low level the whole way through just to compliment the bass. theres no rules afterall.......

edit:

i will spend some more time on this rather than just bang it out and finish it even if it takes a few extra weeks. did you get that tune that was a bit low on bass sorted? that was wicked m8


Posted by djmd31 on Jul-20-2017 19:44:

Trying to finish this one up.

I feel it's missing something but can't put my finger on it.

What do you guys think

https://soundcloud.com/matthewduncandj/faith-10/s-9jY2V


Posted by evo8 on Jul-20-2017 21:49:

quote:
Originally posted by djmd31
Trying to finish this one up.

I feel it's missing something but can't put my finger on it.

What do you guys think

https://soundcloud.com/matthewduncandj/faith-10/s-9jY2V


hi, please comment on the most recent track in the thread, as per the the thread rules, thanks


Posted by djmd31 on Jul-21-2017 00:55:

Thanks Chris for your lengthy respond, appreciate man - so to answer your question about my headphones, yes I only had to use headphones and they are new to me so don't have good feel for them yet (will take some time), as far as dry sound I meant that there is nothing on master channel - also agree with you on the face that drums need to have more punch and some drive to it as right now they are a bit to static and not moving enough for me - good catch.

I decided to add a bit more melodic development to this WIP:



Darek [/QUOTE]

I think this sounds ok, I think the Vocals might be a little loud, and I would add some more delay and reverb to them.

It does have a solid groove, but I feel there is nothing that grabs my attention if you know what I mean. Arp melody is good!


Posted by chris marsh on Jul-21-2017 01:23:

quote:
Originally posted by djmd31
Trying to finish this one up.

I feel it's missing something but can't put my finger on it.

What do you guys think

https://soundcloud.com/matthewduncandj/faith-10/s-9jY2V


really nice tune and i like the concept, but i think the mix is a bit off. doesnt sound like anything is missing to me aside from that. I really like all the synths and music sounds great. IMO if you got the mix right it would be a cracker


are you referencing with a similar pro track in your arrangement when mixing? thats always helpful. Like im no trance expert, and i only ever really did one trance track (its in me sig) but if I A/B the too you can hear a significant difference in the mix. So if you A/B yours with a pro its going to fall flat mix wise

to me the kick doesnt sound quite right, pitched slightly too high perhaps, it just doesnt seem to quite have the satisfying thud int he lows id expect

also he high hats seem a little harsh, but also dont seem to fill out the high end

IMO of course....


Posted by TranceLover007 on Jul-21-2017 18:03:

quote:
Originally posted by djmd31




I think this sounds ok, I think the Vocals might be a little loud, and I would add some more delay and reverb to them.

It does have a solid groove, but I feel there is nothing that grabs my attention if you know what I mean. Arp melody is good!


Thanks djmd31 for your time and comment - appreciate. As far as your comment about "not garbing my attention", I think that each of as are looking for different things in the music to grab their attention and for me is all about quality of music production and melodic journey in it. What you were listening so far was a piece of my entire production which included an intro and usually (in any production) this part is not as attractive as potentially rest of the track but I hope that when I decided to finish it you going to like it

Thanks man,

Darek


Posted by TranceLover007 on Jul-21-2017 18:39:

quote:
Originally posted by djmd31
Trying to finish this one up.

I feel it's missing something but can't put my finger on it.

What do you guys think

https://soundcloud.com/matthewduncandj/faith-10/s-9jY2V


I'm doing life commenting on your track - Let start with this statement: this production has potential (I would say quite good potential) but at least for me you will have to spend some amount of time on properly mixing your channels/levels/dynamics as at this moment your mixing thing is taking to much away from my listening experience. I would also suggest to look at your kick since is a bit destructing (or taking too much attention) from my listening and your bass line could take some tightening (I'm assuming that you only have one primary low freq bass) and you may have to sync it much closer with your mid range lead which works as your primary driver in main parts of your track - remember those are only my suggestion and you could ignore them completely as you are the only one who knows where you want to take your production (style and technique wise).

Cheers mate,

Darek


Posted by evo8 on Jul-22-2017 06:29:

quote:
Originally posted by djmd31
Trying to finish this one up.

I feel it's missing something but can't put my finger on it.

What do you guys think

https://soundcloud.com/matthewduncandj/faith-10/s-9jY2V


the kick is very clicky and too loud relative to other elements, id start by fixing that

as for the track as a whole, its sounds a bit cliche to me but then again i wouldnt really be into to this kind of music


Posted by Richard Butler on Jul-22-2017 19:36:

This is as good as I can make. Hope to get it released

Any issues guys?




Posted by evo8 on Jul-22-2017 22:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Butler
This is as good as I can make. Hope to get it released

Any issues guys?




not really doing anything for me :-/


Posted by Richard Butler on Jul-23-2017 12:21:

quote:
Originally posted by evo8


Only just spotted this. I'm not liking that offset snare, it's wooly and clumsy sounding, otherwise a top track


Lovely mate and has inspired a new track in me


Posted by evo8 on Jul-23-2017 18:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Butler
Only just spotted this. I'm not liking that offset snare, it's wooly and clumsy sounding, otherwise a top track


Lovely mate and has inspired a new track in me


thanks i think i did a few revisions on that track but never uploaded the latest version
glad it inspired you, ive gotten a lot of inspiration from yours and various other tracks on here!


Posted by SystematicX1 on Jul-23-2017 22:37:

If only every note we put in our daw comes out perfect,every time.
Which made me think about this.
When it comes to a WIP, I think of early stages. Perhaps a simple beat, not mixed,perhaps a small amount of higher frequency (arp,strings)and barely any effects or whatever.
With that said, when do you know if a track is working.
Do you ditch ideas or do you attempt to "hold on" in hopes of progressing and attempt to force it with variations.
Early on, I read an interview with Jon Gooch (aka Spor/FeedMe) that he deletes any track that he has not progressed on in a 24 hour period. And not as in 24 "work" hours, literally in a 24 hour period. Deletes it..gone.
I did that for awhile early on. I would get so frustrated that after a 24 hour period, I would delete the track. This occurred even if I had at least one area going for it,like a hook or drum pattern. I wouldn't even try to variate it.
Now, I am the complete opposite. I save everything and literally go on binges where I will lay down 7 tracks in 10 days. Granted, only about 3-4 are (imo) worthy of finishing. So, I compile this heap of tracks that are probably 70/30 dump/keep ratio.
Curious as to how you guys approach the early stages of a track.
Do you have a sort of regiment you use?
Do you use or create your own templates?(My workflow for sure progressed when I started off with a template I created with basic settings effects and automation)


Posted by chris marsh on Jul-23-2017 23:27:

at the moment i try to start with a really solid idea, which often means looking at tracks in the genre im trying to make, studying them a bit, borrowing a few ideas for groove etc then just work on it until im happy with it, no matter how long it takes. I wont start a new one (although i will work on synth patches and sounds seperatley) until its complete

bexuase im working on a style i haven't done before ATM, and because i dont have as much time as id like for producing progress is slow now. I only had to re do the beat once (sounds of beat not the rythm/programming) but i had to re do the midd bass layer a lot of times before it even got close to something i was happy with

id rather have one track im pretty happy with, and take weeks and weeks or even months over it than 20 tracks that seem mediocre to me. As im not at all professional means i can take my time

ill have one or two pro tracks of the same genre in my arrangement page that i can reference in terms of sounds/arrangement/mix


Posted by Evolve140 on Jul-23-2017 23:40:


Posted by evo8 on Jul-24-2017 01:18:

quote:
Originally posted by SystematicX1
If only every note we put in our daw comes out perfect,every time.
Which made me think about this.
When it comes to a WIP, I think of early stages. Perhaps a simple beat, not mixed,perhaps a small amount of higher frequency (arp,strings)and barely any effects or whatever.
With that said, when do you know if a track is working.
Do you ditch ideas or do you attempt to "hold on" in hopes of progressing and attempt to force it with variations.
Early on, I read an interview with Jon Gooch (aka Spor/FeedMe) that he deletes any track that he has not progressed on in a 24 hour period. And not as in 24 "work" hours, literally in a 24 hour period. Deletes it..gone.
I did that for awhile early on. I would get so frustrated that after a 24 hour period, I would delete the track. This occurred even if I had at least one area going for it,like a hook or drum pattern. I wouldn't even try to variate it.
Now, I am the complete opposite. I save everything and literally go on binges where I will lay down 7 tracks in 10 days. Granted, only about 3-4 are (imo) worthy of finishing. So, I compile this heap of tracks that are probably 70/30 dump/keep ratio.
Curious as to how you guys approach the early stages of a track.
Do you have a sort of regiment you use?
Do you use or create your own templates?(My workflow for sure progressed when I started off with a template I created with basic settings effects and automation)


i probably finish about 1 in every 6 tracks that i start - i used to get hung up on that fact but nowadays i just try to enjoy the actual process of making music and if something good pops out then i will finish it
the ones that i finish are usually always the ones that come together the fastest.

also sometimes ill spend an evening making something, then the next day/evening ill have a quick listen and if it doesnt grab me within the first 10 seconds or so it gets binned

i have a template with a Battery 4 routing setup, eqs on all drum channels (set to off), some stuff on the master (set to off) - speeds things up a bit


Posted by djnitride on Jul-24-2017 05:06:

For me the creation process is mostly all or nothing. If something just sounds meh, I can it and never look at it again. If I was more selective about my output, I would listen to stuff I wrote the next day before deciding to go forward with it. I just do music for fun though, that kind of self dicipline kills it for me

I have had alot of attempted songs where I had an awesome sounding drum, arp, and pad loop, but never could actually turn it into the song. It seemed to exist in isolation, without any overarching idea that set the track in motion over time. I mitigate this by converting the loop to a sequencer over time as fast as possible, working around and outside of it. This way I do not become trapped in "loopitus" which has killed many a good track ideas

Templates are an important productivity booster, but I tend to make sure I load all kinds of stuff I don't use every track to keep the output diversified. I wouldn't say my template is bloated, but I just treat my VSTi's more like hardware instruments, with one track of each, and I reach for them when I need a certain sound. For effects I keep it simple, with a single reverb and delay to begin with, and I add to it as needed. Too many preloaded effects can clutter your project up and lead to performance issues, especially reverbs.


Posted by Richard Butler on Jul-24-2017 16:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Evolve140


Really good, but I do prefer first halve. The drop is a little indistinct for my taste


Posted by TranceLover007 on Jul-24-2017 16:32:

quote:
Originally posted by Evolve140


Agree with Richard man, first part is really cool and interesting with grabbing/driving vibe in it, so if you improve your break and second part you may have a winner on the hand Erik.

Darek


Posted by TranceLover007 on Jul-24-2017 16:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Butler
This is as good as I can make. Hope to get it released

Any issues guys?





Interesting idea and well delivered Richard , I hope you will be able to release it - my $0.02 if you don't mind would be to work on your kick as right now is a bit too woody for my taste

Darek


Posted by TranceLover007 on Jul-24-2017 17:06:

quote:
Originally posted by evo8


This is really good man, House with nicely blended Industrial elements - pretty sweet, nothing to complain about (a bit to short but you have everything what you need for release material)

Darek


Posted by gordan100 on Jul-24-2017 23:12:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Butler
This is as good as I can make. Hope to get it released

Any issues guys?





I like it Rich. Cool voice. Nice sounds overall. I think you could make longer part starting at 2:15, and make a nice break there.


Posted by gordan100 on Jul-24-2017 23:17:

quote:
Originally posted by TranceLover007
I decided to add a bit more melodic development to this WIP:



Darek


Very nice groovy track Darek


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