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Originally posted by Evolve140 Word, if I go back to that version I will give it a shot! I just decided on a totally different re-work though. Hopefully it sounds better, I did tweak the sound/melody though. |
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Originally posted by chris marsh cheers for your ears yep its a difficult one because like i said i want it to be minimal and work with just the drums and bass, which i find quite a challenge. the last few tracks i did had full vocals/quite musical and i want to move away from that the lead is introduced at the intro then doesn't come back until the break, im happy with that basic arrangement. Im just working on using vocal snippets here and there and incidental fx, but its quite difficult to make things fit and im finding with this one less is more. spent ours today trying stuff out and binned it all id like to get it finished and move on to the next one with what i have learnt rather than changing anything too drastic it may be that the bass on its own isn't quite "hooky" enough but next time i can work on that |
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Originally posted by evo8 totally hear you, i try to maintain as much space in my tracks as I can - the difficulty then becomes the fact that your existing parts and groove need to be interesting enough to carry the track on its own, not easy |
Trying to finish this one up.
I feel it's missing something but can't put my finger on it.
What do you guys think
https://soundcloud.com/matthewduncandj/faith-10/s-9jY2V
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Originally posted by djmd31 Trying to finish this one up. I feel it's missing something but can't put my finger on it. What do you guys think https://soundcloud.com/matthewduncandj/faith-10/s-9jY2V |
Thanks Chris for your lengthy respond, appreciate man - so to answer your question about my headphones, yes I only had to use headphones and they are new to me so don't have good feel for them yet (will take some time), as far as dry sound I meant that there is nothing on master channel - also agree with you on the face that drums need to have more punch and some drive to it as right now they are a bit to static and not moving enough for me - good catch.
I decided to add a bit more melodic development to this WIP:
Darek [/QUOTE]
I think this sounds ok, I think the Vocals might be a little loud, and I would add some more delay and reverb to them.
It does have a solid groove, but I feel there is nothing that grabs my attention if you know what I mean. Arp melody is good!
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Originally posted by djmd31 Trying to finish this one up. I feel it's missing something but can't put my finger on it. What do you guys think https://soundcloud.com/matthewduncandj/faith-10/s-9jY2V |
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Originally posted by djmd31 I think this sounds ok, I think the Vocals might be a little loud, and I would add some more delay and reverb to them. It does have a solid groove, but I feel there is nothing that grabs my attention if you know what I mean. Arp melody is good! |
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Originally posted by djmd31 Trying to finish this one up. I feel it's missing something but can't put my finger on it. What do you guys think https://soundcloud.com/matthewduncandj/faith-10/s-9jY2V |
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Originally posted by djmd31 Trying to finish this one up. I feel it's missing something but can't put my finger on it. What do you guys think https://soundcloud.com/matthewduncandj/faith-10/s-9jY2V |
This is as good as I can make. Hope to get it released
Any issues guys?
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Originally posted by Richard Butler This is as good as I can make. Hope to get it released Any issues guys? |
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Originally posted by evo8 |
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Originally posted by Richard Butler Only just spotted this. I'm not liking that offset snare, it's wooly and clumsy sounding, otherwise a top track Lovely mate and has inspired a new track in me |
If only every note we put in our daw comes out perfect,every time.
Which made me think about this.
When it comes to a WIP, I think of early stages. Perhaps a simple beat, not mixed,perhaps a small amount of higher frequency (arp,strings)and barely any effects or whatever.
With that said, when do you know if a track is working.
Do you ditch ideas or do you attempt to "hold on" in hopes of progressing and attempt to force it with variations.
Early on, I read an interview with Jon Gooch (aka Spor/FeedMe) that he deletes any track that he has not progressed on in a 24 hour period. And not as in 24 "work" hours, literally in a 24 hour period. Deletes it..gone.
I did that for awhile early on. I would get so frustrated that after a 24 hour period, I would delete the track. This occurred even if I had at least one area going for it,like a hook or drum pattern. I wouldn't even try to variate it.
Now, I am the complete opposite. I save everything and literally go on binges where I will lay down 7 tracks in 10 days. Granted, only about 3-4 are (imo) worthy of finishing. So, I compile this heap of tracks that are probably 70/30 dump/keep ratio.
Curious as to how you guys approach the early stages of a track.
Do you have a sort of regiment you use?
Do you use or create your own templates?(My workflow for sure progressed when I started off with a template I created with basic settings effects and automation)
at the moment i try to start with a really solid idea, which often means looking at tracks in the genre im trying to make, studying them a bit, borrowing a few ideas for groove etc then just work on it until im happy with it, no matter how long it takes. I wont start a new one (although i will work on synth patches and sounds seperatley) until its complete
bexuase im working on a style i haven't done before ATM, and because i dont have as much time as id like for producing progress is slow now. I only had to re do the beat once (sounds of beat not the rythm/programming) but i had to re do the midd bass layer a lot of times before it even got close to something i was happy with
id rather have one track im pretty happy with, and take weeks and weeks or even months over it than 20 tracks that seem mediocre to me. As im not at all professional means i can take my time
ill have one or two pro tracks of the same genre in my arrangement page that i can reference in terms of sounds/arrangement/mix
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Originally posted by SystematicX1 If only every note we put in our daw comes out perfect,every time. Which made me think about this. When it comes to a WIP, I think of early stages. Perhaps a simple beat, not mixed,perhaps a small amount of higher frequency (arp,strings)and barely any effects or whatever. With that said, when do you know if a track is working. Do you ditch ideas or do you attempt to "hold on" in hopes of progressing and attempt to force it with variations. Early on, I read an interview with Jon Gooch (aka Spor/FeedMe) that he deletes any track that he has not progressed on in a 24 hour period. And not as in 24 "work" hours, literally in a 24 hour period. Deletes it..gone. I did that for awhile early on. I would get so frustrated that after a 24 hour period, I would delete the track. This occurred even if I had at least one area going for it,like a hook or drum pattern. I wouldn't even try to variate it. Now, I am the complete opposite. I save everything and literally go on binges where I will lay down 7 tracks in 10 days. Granted, only about 3-4 are (imo) worthy of finishing. So, I compile this heap of tracks that are probably 70/30 dump/keep ratio. Curious as to how you guys approach the early stages of a track. Do you have a sort of regiment you use? Do you use or create your own templates?(My workflow for sure progressed when I started off with a template I created with basic settings effects and automation) |
For me the creation process is mostly all or nothing. If something just sounds meh, I can it and never look at it again. If I was more selective about my output, I would listen to stuff I wrote the next day before deciding to go forward with it. I just do music for fun though, that kind of self dicipline kills it for me
I have had alot of attempted songs where I had an awesome sounding drum, arp, and pad loop, but never could actually turn it into the song. It seemed to exist in isolation, without any overarching idea that set the track in motion over time. I mitigate this by converting the loop to a sequencer over time as fast as possible, working around and outside of it. This way I do not become trapped in "loopitus" which has killed many a good track ideas
Templates are an important productivity booster, but I tend to make sure I load all kinds of stuff I don't use every track to keep the output diversified. I wouldn't say my template is bloated, but I just treat my VSTi's more like hardware instruments, with one track of each, and I reach for them when I need a certain sound. For effects I keep it simple, with a single reverb and delay to begin with, and I add to it as needed. Too many preloaded effects can clutter your project up and lead to performance issues, especially reverbs.
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Originally posted by Evolve140 |
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Originally posted by Evolve140 |
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Originally posted by Richard Butler This is as good as I can make. Hope to get it released Any issues guys? |
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Originally posted by evo8 |
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Originally posted by Richard Butler This is as good as I can make. Hope to get it released Any issues guys? |
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Originally posted by TranceLover007 I decided to add a bit more melodic development to this WIP: Darek |
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