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Originally posted by SystematicX1 Ok so I am keeping on this one and think I may have got something with it. Attempted to work on the over sharpness of overall tonality Kick and Snare are "better" but still need to bring some brightness out on that snare I think Sub is much better on this mix and better gelling than before, I think lol

Just a quick one for you - sounds like this whole mix is on the bright side and also some of your sounds are peaking - you trying to squeeze too much juice out of your production - it is just my first impression for now man

Darek

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Just a quick one for you - sounds like this whole mix is on the bright site and also some of your sounds are picking - you trying to squeeze too much juice out of your production - it is just my first impression for now man Darek

Hi Darek,

Cool...need this. Could you be more specific?

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 Hi Darek, Cool...need this. Could you be more specific?

First I would ask you this question -> What do you have on master channel?

Darek

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 First I would ask you this question -> What do you have on master channel? Darek

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Originally posted by SystematicX1

Sorry for some spelling issues man in previous post lol - Yeah, I'm going to ask you why are you using Saturator on master channel, also you are squashing your sound a bit too much by this compressor and in this case you may have to control levels and EQ in individual channels rather then master channel to create some space between different sounds.

You can use spectrum analyzer to nicely balance your EQ (in individual channels) - everything depends on number of instruments you are using and how you going to layer them.

Darek

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Sorry for some spelling issues man in previous post lol - Yeah, I'm going to ask you why are you using Saturator on master channel, also you are squashing your sound a bit too much by this compressor and in this case you may have to control levels and EQ in individual channels rather then master channel to create some space between different sounds. You can use spectrum analyzer to nicely balance your EQ (in individual channels) - everything depends on number of instruments you are using and how you going to layer them. Darek

Thanks man, I guess I was using the Sat for just that little extra dirt on the mix. I didnt see any clipping so I felt it was ok. Guess not =O(
I'll have a play on that compressor and may even just dropit and go with the trusty ol sausage fatty

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Originally posted by gordan100 Any good in this?

2.37+ is good, but it needs better mixing as some sounds are taking over here n there

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 Ok so I am keeping on this one and think I may have got something with it. Attempted to work on the over sharpness of overall tonality Kick and Snare are "better" but still need to bring some brightness out on that snare I think Sub is much better on this mix and better gelling than before, I think lol

i think it sounds better, and i really like the music. I agree its all a little too bright - its the "ying and yang" of mixing - if everything is bright then nothing is really bright

EDIT. I think its the main lead/bass that is the biggest problem. too harsh and bright. it would prolly be fatiguing on a big soundsystem

The plucks sound really nice and i dig the ambience you have going on

I just think ou need to work on EQ. its great to saturate and boost souds, but you need to clean them up first (and maybe after too) otherwise the other stuff you dont want gets boosted too

Aslo look around the 4k region, as thats sometimes where that harshness hits our ears most

ill have another listien later

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 First of all Chris I really appreciate your time and suggestions man - I know that a lot of things depend on producer personal taste and his vision for his work, so some of us will try to do different things to achieve desire results - in my case I like to play with reverb, auto-pan, simply delay and stereo image to expose current or active instrument/sound. My goal is to create adequate space between all of my sounds and work on special sounds theme (like specific blend of sounds for particular vibe of the track) to get to certain melodic state for my production - if this make any sense Please let me know if there is something specific you would like me to go through man?

thanks for the tips mate

another one i heard the other day is boosting mids/highs of a sound using a Mid/side EQ. Boost the sides while cutting the middle

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Originally posted by chris marsh well this is about finished now. Ive taken on board your suggestions, what do you reckon? AM very keen to move on now, feel like ive learnt quite a lot from this one, quite a learning curve dealing with the whole mid bass thing.

Trying to return the ear-listen, had to go a few pages back. This is pretty top notch dont think anyone can fault it. If I were to play god I'd infuse the arrangement with more atmospherics where there is not. You're using harmor for those bass rips?

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Originally posted by MSZ Trying to return the ear-listen, had to go a few pages back. This is pretty top notch dont think anyone can fault it. If I were to play god I'd infuse the arrangement with more atmospherics where there is not. You're using harmor for those bass rips?

thanks dude, thats really nice to hear - especially from such a good producer as yourself

i heard it so much i got sick of it and it started to sound like crap to me

unfortunately the garage label i had a few releases on back when i was producing before (about 3 years back) seems to have stopped putting stuff out and the guy wont return my messages. shame as i did 2 tracks especially for him

i don't have the energy to try and find some other little (but decent) label so ill just finish it up at some point, get it mastered and put it for free DL



The bass is all done in serum, fantastic synth, defo in my top 2 at the moment. that an FM8. FM is unreal for bass, so much control over the harmonics - in that sense it is far superior to the other types i understand - but its taking me a long time to get to grips with it.

I used adpativerb a lot for the atmospherics in that one, amazing plug in never seen anything like it

thanks again much appreciated

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Originally posted by chris marsh i think it sounds better, and i really like the music. I agree its all a little too bright - its the "ying and yang" of mixing - if everything is bright then nothing is really bright EDIT. I think its the main lead/bass that is the biggest problem. too harsh and bright. it would prolly be fatiguing on a big soundsystem The plucks sound really nice and i dig the ambience you have going on I just think ou need to work on EQ. its great to saturate and boost souds, but you need to clean them up first (and maybe after too) otherwise the other stuff you dont want gets boosted too Aslo look around the 4k region, as thats sometimes where that harshness hits our ears most ill have another listien later

EQ EQ EQ.....Cheers Chris appreciate that!

pfft im not very good chris, other people can provide better input than me here. Its nice to separate yourself away from the music emotionally but that takes a lot of time in the mean time this thread will do. I dont exactly have the most ideal listening reference equipment just FYI.

since I dont see any music to comment on, I guess ill post another one. I scrapped my older one and it turned into this, basically more overly happy music to combat my sadness. Dont know where to go with melodies and arrangement for now, its probably too saturated.

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Originally posted by MSZ pfft im not very good chris, other people can provide better input than me here. Its nice to separate yourself away from the music emotionally but that takes a lot of time in the mean time this thread will do. I dont exactly have the most ideal listening reference equipment just FYI. since I dont see any music to comment on, I guess ill post another one. I scrapped my older one and it turned into this, basically more overly happy music to combat my sadness. Dont know where to go with melodies and arrangement for now, its probably too saturated.

yes mate, beautiful stuff

couple of crits, drums ever so slightly getting lost, maybe a little more mid on the kick so it stays upfront?

that big lead in the break, would love to hear a little bit more reverb on that, just for the epic feels

maybe you could introduce a subtle arp somewhere but they can chew up the space, i quite like it the way it is

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Originally posted by MSZ pfft im not very good chris, other people can provide better input than me here. Its nice to separate yourself away from the music emotionally but that takes a lot of time in the mean time this thread will do. I dont exactly have the most ideal listening reference equipment just FYI. since I dont see any music to comment on, I guess ill post another one. I scrapped my older one and it turned into this, basically more overly happy music to combat my sadness. Dont know where to go with melodies and arrangement for now, its probably too saturated.

Hey Mac do you have reverb on your bass line?

I really like your atmosphere in this production man also this nice sublime melody and the way you are unwinding it - very cool work.

Darek

Yea evo I noticed even my bass is being swallowed not just the kick, that will have to be fixed.

Darek no reverb, lots of distortion and a mild stereo effect, its not mono.

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Originally posted by MSZ Yea evo I noticed even my bass is being swallowed not just the kick, that will have to be fixed. Darek no reverb, lots of distortion and a mild stereo effect, its not mono.

meant to also say, you could cut that sub a fair bit, way too much and its just chewing up your headroom, you probably cant hear it on the headphones

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Originally posted by SystematicX1 Thanks man, I guess I was using the Sat for just that little extra dirt on the mix. I didnt see any clipping so I felt it was ok. Guess not =O( I'll have a play on that compressor and may even just dropit and go with the trusty ol sausage fatty

Lol, your saturator is barely even doing anything... you should see my master bus Console emulation, heavy saturation across the mix and tape emulation. There's absolutely nothing wrong with saturation on the master bus, loads of people do it, sending the mix bus through tape or analog preamps for saturation is an age old engineer trick. I mean, not everyone has to go as far as I do but a little master saturation almost never hurts. It helps to glue things and makes the track a bit more harmonically rich. However, unless you are "home mastering" to make a track loud enough to play out, I would shy away from corrective mix bus EQ, peak compression and limiting, they all come with side effects that are better to avoid unless you need to. Mastering always has a destructive side, hence why it requires years of experience and skill to get right. That said, a bit of gentle, analog modelled RMS compression can work nicely on the master to glue the mix and add a bit of character, just one or two db of gain reduction will probably be enough - it's basically just decoration rather than actual mix fixing.

as always - if it sounds good then anything goes

not sure if this is too boring or what

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Originally posted by Woony Lol, your saturator is barely even doing anything... you should see my master bus Console emulation, heavy saturation across the mix and tape emulation. There's absolutely nothing wrong with saturation on the master bus, loads of people do it, sending the mix bus through tape or analog preamps for saturation is an age old engineer trick. I mean, not everyone has to go as far as I do but a little master saturation almost never hurts. It helps to glue things and makes the track a bit more harmonically rich. However, unless you are "home mastering" to make a track loud enough to play out, I would shy away from corrective mix bus EQ, peak compression and limiting, they all come with side effects that are better to avoid unless you need to. Mastering always has a destructive side, hence why it requires years of experience and skill to get right. That said, a bit of gentle, analog modelled RMS compression can work nicely on the master to glue the mix and add a bit of character, just one or two db of gain reduction will probably be enough - it's basically just decoration rather than actual mix fixing.

ive always shyed away from doing much on the master, typically mastering engineers have said "give it to me without the limiter on the master bus"

but... recently ive decided that i want to have a proper go at drum and bass, and the truth is a lot of, if not most, of the big guys in DNB mix into a limiter (or two) doing a quite a lot

ive come to understand that this is really for getting the most volume out of a track, then mixing and mastering go hand in hand to some extent - ie with heavy limiting on the master you may well actually have to go back and adjust your track - for example you may have the snare louder on a heavily limited track than you would have without it. Doing a bit of DIY mastering enables you to make adjustments that the mastering engineer wont be able to do

I did a session with a well known drum and bass producer a few years back (hes a friend of a friend and i paid him something)

first question I asked "how do you get such loud powerful mixes" - he pointed to the oxford native limiter on his mater bus. At that time i still didn't want to believe it as it seemed to go against conventional wisdom but im coming round to the idea and will try it in my next mix

agree nothing wrong with stuff on the master, in fact it may be the way forward. the more we understand about mastering the better our mixed will be afterall...

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Originally posted by MSZ pfft im not very good chris, other people can provide better input than me here. Its nice to separate yourself away from the music emotionally but that takes a lot of time in the mean time this thread will do. I dont exactly have the most ideal listening reference equipment just FYI. since I dont see any music to comment on, I guess ill post another one. I scrapped my older one and it turned into this, basically more overly happy music to combat my sadness. Dont know where to go with melodies and arrangement for now, its probably too saturated.

shush man your a joof producer. do you have a good set of cans? IMO really essential unless you have good monitors and a good room setup (i have good speaker but an untreated room right now)

akgk701 amazing IMO for detail and at the moment i trust them way more than my genelcs in my current room



damn i missed it, i had a listen yesterday and i was loving the vibe, but i noticed some crowding in the low mids/lows

ive seen a new plug in thats supposed to help mixing bass in a less than perfect environment, will post it up later - i find the idea intriguing

ps i dont think you should scrap your last idea, that was good and defo worth wprking on further IMO

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Originally posted by chris marsh ive always shyed away from doing much on the master, typically mastering engineers have said "give it to me without the limiter on the master bus" but... recently ive decided that i want to have a proper go at drum and bass, and the truth is a lot of, if not most, of the big guys in DNB mix into a limiter (or two) doing a quite a lot ive come to understand that this is really for getting the most volume out of a track, then mixing and mastering go hand in hand to some extent - ie with heavy limiting on the master you may well actually have to go back and adjust your track - for example you may have the snare louder on a heavily limited track than you would have without it. Doing a bit of DIY mastering enables you to make adjustments that the mastering engineer wont be able to do I did a session with a well known drum and bass producer a few years back (hes a friend of a friend and i paid him something) first question I asked "how do you get such loud powerful mixes" - he pointed to the oxford native limiter on his mater bus. At that time i still didn't want to believe it as it seemed to go against conventional wisdom but im coming round to the idea and will try it in my next mix agree nothing wrong with stuff on the master, in fact it may be the way forward. the more we understand about mastering the better our mixed will be afterall...

Sounds like reasonable approach Chris.

Darek

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Originally posted by evo8 not sure if this is too boring or what

doesn't sound boring to me at all. really nice bass and groove imo. prob needs a little development


heres the plug in(s) i was talking about earlier, sounds interesting

http://www.soundways.com/products

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Originally posted by chris marsh doesn't sound boring to me at all. really nice bass and groove imo. prob needs a little development heres the plug in(s) i was talking about earlier, sounds interesting http://www.soundways.com/products

thanks Chris, yeah i need to work on the arrangement its too drawn out

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