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Posted by bananas on Jul-21-2011 13:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Lews

what the fuck, are you denying that's he's one of the greatest directors around?
that's fuckin hipsterish 'Imma hate the guy, because so many of you like him and think he's great, WELL HE'S NOT, I TELL YA, HES NOT!!!'


Posted by gmilf on Jul-21-2011 14:49:

I just rewatched Bronson. Ahhhhh yeah, Bane is going to kick some ass and break some backs!! I hope they break his spine. Damnit I hope it so hard!


Posted by Meat187 on Jul-21-2011 15:50:

quote:
Originally posted by bananas
what the fuck, are you denying that's he's one of the greatest directors around?
that's fuckin hipsterish 'Imma hate the guy, because so many of you like him and think he's great, WELL HE'S NOT, I TELL YA, HES NOT!!!'


If Lews doesn't do it then I will deny that Nolan is that great.
Inception was a huge failure compared to what it could have been. And Dark Knight is overrated and uninspired.


Posted by bananas on Jul-21-2011 15:59:

quote:
Originally posted by Meat187
If Lews doesn't do it then I will deny that Nolan is that great.
Inception was a huge failure compared to what it could have been. And Dark Knight is overrated and uninspired.

and the reasoning behind that is?


Posted by shaw on Jul-21-2011 16:04:

quote:
Originally posted by corjay9
Hopefully it's shot 100% IMAX?


Everything but the close dialog scenes (cameras are too loud).


Posted by Omar Little on Jul-21-2011 16:08:

quote:
Originally posted by Meat187
If Lews doesn't do it then I will deny that Nolan is that great.
Inception was a huge failure compared to what it could have been. And Dark Knight is overrated and uninspired.

Name me another director in Hollywood right now with a perfect record.


Posted by Omar Little on Jul-21-2011 16:12:

nolan haters are trolls


Posted by srussell0018 on Jul-21-2011 16:13:

quote:
Originally posted by shaw
Everything but the close dialog scenes (cameras are too loud).


All dialogue in movies is re-recorded in a studio after the filming anyways, so the camera being loud wouldn't really matter.


Posted by srussell0018 on Jul-21-2011 16:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Omar Little
Name me another director in Hollywood right now with a perfect record.


James Cameron.


Posted by shaw on Jul-21-2011 16:17:

quote:
Originally posted by srussell0018
All dialogue in movies is re-recorded in a studio after the filming anyways, so the camera being loud wouldn't really matter.


People who know about imax say otherwise.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=christopher+nolan+imax+dialogue

What if someone takes a step, shuffles papers, moves a cup, flips open a phone, etc.? Are you going to re-record the whole scene? That's just stupid.


Posted by srussell0018 on Jul-21-2011 16:20:

It might mess with the actors ability to concentrate while filming, but I'm positive that all of the audio dialogue you hear in the movie is not recorded at the same time of the filming. It's all done in a sound studio.

99% of the audio you hear in a movie is created or recorded on a sound stage. It's not done at the same time of filming. You can't get the same level of sound quality with a boom mic.

One of the guys I work with went to SCAD, and he explained to me that all dialogue, and pretty much all audio in general for movies is recorded after the fact in a sound studio that they can get it perfect. So it wouldn't matter how loud something is during the filming (unless of course it's so loud that it interferes with the actors' concentration), but the "dialogue" that they're speaking while filming is not the dialogue that you hear when you see the movie.


Posted by shaw on Jul-21-2011 16:20:

see: edit


Posted by Tasty Onions on Jul-21-2011 16:25:

quote:
Originally posted by srussell0018
It might mess with the actors ability to concentrate while filming, but I'm positive that all of the audio dialogue you hear in the movie is not recorded at the same time of the filming. It's all done in a sound studio.

Link? I know there's some correction for scenes where there's ambient noise, but I've never heard of whole (non-animated) movies having their entire dialogue recorded after the fact...


Posted by shaw on Jul-21-2011 16:26:

srussell's got a case of the Nous this morning.


Posted by srussell0018 on Jul-21-2011 16:26:

I don't know what you're getting at. It doesn't matter if someone shuffles something or makes a noise because they re-record everything after the fact anyways.


Posted by Meat187 on Jul-21-2011 16:28:

quote:
Originally posted by bananas
and the reasoning behind that is?


quote:
Originally posted by Meat187
1) The plot sucks
I wonít discuss the plot in detail, cause itís so open to interpretation. That can be good or bad, a cheap way out when you canít come up with a better ending or a way to let everyone make up their own mind and make it a personal experience for the viewer. It rather feels like the first I would say, but whatever. Most likely everything is Leoís dream. If it werenít, the plot would suck really hard. Why canít his kids fly to France, why is the whole thing involving Saito so retarded, why is the whole ďOh , we canít simply get out cause Leo didnít tell us about the sedation and that weíll end up in Limbo-dance world (where your brain neurons works at over light speed) if we die and therefore itís serious business and the audience must now ing care, whoa!Ē so retarded, etc etc? Yeah, letís say itís a dream. Probably one thatís more an allegory on making movies and how they could work on audiences rather than exploring Leoís mind and past. OK, why not? But still, the industry espionage storyline is crap. In that case the whole I want to see my kids storyline is rather silly, too. No matter what interpretation you pick, the plot sucks at one point or another. I canít find a level where Inception works for me, the allegory on movies and their making is the one I like best, but then the plot really is weak.

2) The dream worlds fail hard
One of the reasons it had so much potential was the ďpure creativityĒ (as one characters phrases it) you can realize in dreams. And here Nolan fails brutally. Really, the best thing the guy can come up with is folding Paris on top of itself? And thatís only done to showcase his cool CGI the possibilities. Yeah, show the audience how cool it can be and then just stick with some uncreative action scenes and a bit of zero gravity. Seriously, what is this whole action crap in there for? Too keep people entertained, I guess. How about using creativity and some more crazy ideas instead of we see in every other movie, Mr. Nolan? Take a look at Kaufmanís Eternal Sunshine to see how itís done. Yeah, he had less CGI and action but a thousand times better ideas than you. You should have come up with some really insane dream instead of that crap you got now, what a waste of possibilities.

So yeah, the whole thing left me largely disappointed. Itís nowhere near as good as it could have been and only barely lands in the realm of good at all. Mostly because DiCaprio sucks as little as possible for him (read: quite decent) and itís refreshingly different and original.


quote:
Originally posted by Omar Little
Name me another director in Hollywood right now with a perfect record.


This has to be the post with the highest density of stupidity in the entire c0r right now. Why start talking about other directors? Why Hollywood directors? What is a "perfect record" and what does it have to do with anything?
God, I fell dirty for only quoting that crap.


Posted by srussell0018 on Jul-21-2011 16:30:

quote:
Originally posted by shaw
srussell's got a case of the Nous this morning.


I don't know personally, but one of my friends from work went to SCAD (Savannah College of Art and Design) where he was studying audio design for movies, and he said almost all dialogue in movies and most TV shows is recorded in a studio. It's for the sound quality of it. You can't get the same level of sound quality by just using boom mics overhead.


Posted by Tasty Onions on Jul-21-2011 16:30:

quote:
Originally posted by shaw
srussell's got a case of the Nous this morning.

trolololol?


Posted by srussell0018 on Jul-21-2011 16:33:

I don't have any links, and I don't personally know if that's true or not. I'm just telling you what my friend told me, and he went to school specifically for that area of movie-making. It makes sense if you think about it. How else could you get the quality of the sound to be so perfect?


Posted by Tasty Onions on Jul-21-2011 16:37:

I dunno, just doesn't sound too plausible to me. I do know that almost all non-dialogue sound ("foley" work), even really tiny things like doors closing, papers being handled, people walking, etc., is dubbed in after the fact.

But I'd never heard the same about dialogue.


Posted by srussell0018 on Jul-21-2011 16:45:

quote:
Russell, Stephen
Are you sure that dialogue in movies is all recorded separately in a sound studio? 11:41 AM

*****, Mark
mostly depending on budget 11:41 AM

Russell, Stephen
Why do they do that? 11:43 AM

*****, Mark
because its easier to get it to sound good with a controlled environment with out all the noise from the set and stuff 11:45 AM


Posted by Tasty Onions on Jul-21-2011 16:51:

I think he's yanking your chain.


Posted by srussell0018 on Jul-21-2011 16:56:

Perhaps.


Posted by bananas on Jul-21-2011 16:59:

quote:
Originally posted by srussell0018
James Cameron.

Now that does require " "
edit: meat, you didnt explain how dark knight is overrated and uninspired


Posted by srussell0018 on Jul-21-2011 17:05:

quote:
Originally posted by bananas
Now that does require " "
edit: meat, you didnt explain how dark knight is overrated and uninspired


What exactly do you consider a "perfect record." Putting out massively successful movies every time you direct one? Directing the 2 highest grossing movies of all time?


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