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John O' Callaghan. Rumble sound?

Just wondered if any of you wise trance addicts could help me out.

I've seen John O' Callaghan a few times now and in each set, the constant beat through the tracks has an almost rumble like sound. It's absolutely immense anyway.

Question is, what is it? Is it an effect on the mixer? Surely it's not specific to the track selection?

I noticed Ben Gold had a similar sound during his set at Sankeys on Friday.

probably it's more attached to the style than to any effect, reverb should create a rumble with the kicks but it's not the kind of effect i would use for long, although a lot of producers use a bit of reverb on the mastering stage.

John plays tech trance with heavy kicks i see he likes a wooden type of kick seeing his compilation subculture 2, i can tell you that this kicks rumble a lot when played on a big room, blame the echo.

Prolly he's refering to the interaction of the sub-kick with the actual sub-bass.

Thanks.

I'm O'Callaghan's illegitimate son.

Does John still play tech trance? I thought he went downhill after 'Big Sky'.

It's almost certainly the room bouncing the kick about the place, over 140 and it starts to get a bit silly if the kick is heavy and loud.

JOC is still awesome although he does make some fetta tunes.

Re: John O' Callaghan. Rumble sound?

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Originally posted by Flynny Just wondered if any of you wise trance addicts could help me out. I've seen John O' Callaghan a few times now and in each set, the constant beat through the tracks has an almost rumble like sound. It's absolutely immense anyway. Question is, what is it? Is it an effect on the mixer? Surely it's not specific to the track selection? I noticed Ben Gold had a similar sound during his set at Sankeys on Friday.

It could be middle-bass on some of the tracks or just experiencing the tracks on a big system. Room size can transform a track.

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Check out vengance VEC3

Look for the kicdrum VEC3BassdrumsClubbyFart 014

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His career took such a dive after 'Big Sky'. Such unredeemable trash.

I noticed Ben Gold had a similar sound during his set at Sankeys on Friday.

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Originally posted by Stanza His career took such a dive after 'Big Sky'. Such unredeemable trash.

Big Sky took a long time to make, i think 9 months or something

you are talking about the same venue (Sankeys), each style of trance is frequently attached to a certain type of kick so this will happen to you if you go to see Bryan Kearney,Matt Skyer,Will Atkinson... for example at Sankeys. There is no hidden magic.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos each style of trance is frequently attached to a certain type of kick

Psy/Goa being the first one that comes to mind.

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Originally posted by Mark Anthony Psy/Goa being the first one that comes to mind.

also a reason why psy has always been so boring, same percussions over & over again

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Originally posted by trancedanne also a reason why psy has always been so boring, same percussions over & over again

Are you serious? Don't listen to the beatport crap, i am not much into psy right now but every time i check the psy chart it's like seeing the minimal chart but at 135bpm (when full on used to be 145+ :S) psytrance is arguably the subgenre that has suffered less from the commercialization.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos Are you serious? Don't listen to the beatport crap, i am not much into psy right now but every time i check the psy chart it's like seeing the minimal chart but at 135bpm (when full on used to be 145+ :S) psytrance is arguably the subgenre that has suffered less from the commercialization.

I'm no trance fan by any means but Psy is the one genre of trance that I listen to and can relate to. That JOOF music really gets me. The music is mostly obscure and for some odd reason makes its main appearance on cd's.

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Originally posted by trancedanne also a reason why psy has always been so boring, same percussions over & over again

This, same with a lot of dance music though, its important for the dj to mix up styles to make it interesting.

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Originally posted by trancedanne also a reason why psy has always been so boring, same percussions over & over again

What percussions or percussion elements are you referring to specifically?

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Originally posted by Targus28 Big Sky took a long time to make, i think 9 months or something

Yea, then it was leaked a month before it was supposed to be released.

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Originally posted by Targus28 Big Sky took a long time to make, i think 9 months or something

Great track!
edit: according to this interview, it took 6 months.

Just give your kick a 50db gain at 50hz, this will produce that rumble your after

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Originally posted by Mark Anthony The music is mostly obscure and for some odd reason makes its main appearance on cd's.

It's because psy trance is historically based around outdoor raves, usually in difficult and remote locations such as forests, beaches and jungles, and so the hardware had to be as portable and durable as possible. A lot of psy was originally played from DAT tapes, with CDs being the commercial format of choice. Vinyls were simply too large, too cumbersome and too delicate to be transported around to these places and so never caught on.

Rhymthically and percussively, psy isn't very interesting at all. Those distinctive kicks are quite sharp and mid-rangey, sitting higher up in the frequency spectrum to allow those really heavy bassline to dominate the bottom end. There is absolutely nothing funky or diverse about psy trance beats and basslines, but it really does sound massive through a good sound system. J00F doesn't actually play that much genuine psy, but when he drops an Ovnimoon or Wizzy Noise track in the Red Room at Passion, with the dark lights and low ceiling and the heavy bassline hammering through the speakers, it sounds absolutely savage.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It's because psy trance is historically based around outdoor raves, usually in difficult and remote locations such as forests, beaches and jungles, and so the hardware had to be as portable and durable as possible. A lot of psy was originally played from DAT tapes, with CDs being the commercial format of choice. Vinyls were simply too large, too cumbersome and too delicate to be transported around to these places and so never caught on. Rhymthically and percussively, psy isn't very interesting at all. Those distinctive kicks are quite sharp and mid-rangey, sitting higher up in the frequency spectrum to allow those really heavy bassline to dominate the bottom end. There is absolutely nothing funky or diverse about psy trance beats and basslines, but it really does sound massive through a good sound system. J00F doesn't actually play that much genuine psy, but when he drops an Ovnimoon or Wizzy Noise track in the Red Room at Passion, with the dark lights and low ceiling and the heavy bassline hammering through the speakers, it sounds absolutely savage.

Damn that's awesome as I can imagine re: J00F. Thanks for helping out with the other info, appreciated.

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