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what I can`t stand about racism is that anything you say about a specific culture people deem as racism if you`re white.

How is saying something like asians are good at math, racist?

you would think asians would be proud that they are highly educated compared to North Americans.How is that any way negative? doesnt racism have a certain hatred attached to it or negative connotation?

like if i were to say I fuckin hate asians and their fuckin math bullshit. that maybe a lil racist with a hint of jealousy. I could see me saying all asians have small dicks as being racist or that they cause all car accidents, but saying theyre good at math is a good thing.

I don`t find people saying that italians are good at cooking as racist. Fuck ya we`re good at cooking our food is delicious.

Black people are fast is another one. we`re not saying thats all you can do but if there was a race to the microscopes a black guy would probably beat me there.

In the economic global world we live in where the survival of smaller countries depends on their comparative advantage you would think we would celebrate our differences and what we are good at as separate races.

Society has really twisted as to what racism is and what it isnt.

Positive generalizations can still be racist.

Also, they can sometimes be read as a subtle way of implying something negative. For example, someone could read "Asians are good at math" as code for "Asians are nerdy," and someone could read "blacks are athletic" as code for "black people are only good at physical stuff" or "black people's athletic ability makes up for their low brainpower." Not saying that's what you meant by them, of course.

Racism: the cultural theory pertaining to why blacks win races.

I know, it's like "hey that's racist!"

Implying there are no differences between people of different races

I can't speak for the rest of the stereotypes but the "Black people are fast" has a lot to do with Eugenics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

I can explain this stereotype well but I will leave it to Chris Rock

The Statement that Asians are better at maths than white people is partly a myth. While education in Asian countries have a strong foundation in the Natural sciences, most developed countries still present the work of (white people)Sir Isaac Newton, Gottfried Liebniz, Euler, Lagrange, and Fermat as the foundation of advanced math studies at the college level, GCSE, A-levels, IB, and AP in the US (to name a few). White people have excelled at mathematics since the early greek civilization and even before.

On the other hand, today, Asian countries have developed an efficient system of education (which fits with their population needs) where it is possible to advance quite successfully in the fields of science: the system is mostly comprised of rote-learning schemes and discipline. In the west, we prefer to educate our students to become 'well-rounded' human beings, therefore very little science is enforced as compulsory to complete one's studies in any other given field (most Americans are illiterate in math, partly because they stop learning up to calculus, or even before, they stop at college algebra). In addition, american education cascades the curricula with an array of rubbish classes under the guise of 'liberal arts'. Whilst I happen to strongly disagree with this stance, as I think Americans are wasting their money with nonsense liberal art courses that they don't need, I believe students should have the freedom to pursue any field they wish for.

Fields Medalist winners, mostly comprised of white people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fields_Medal

Asians are still a minority in said group.

Is this statement racist:

White people are whiter than black people.

Another thing, as some of you noticed, in the US there is quite a big misunderstanding on what constitutes as real maths. In the US there is a strong bias towards Mechanics (mostly classical); students here will take two years worth of calculus, while in Euope/UK students learn calculus and spend at most only one year doing mechanics (calculus, classical physics, etc).

Now, in China, i've seen curricula were students begin learning Number theory and Group Theory (Real maths) well into their 2nd year of College.

Again, you might see that in certain schools in the US.(Princeton, UCLA, etc ... )

Don't waste your time justifying yourself, people only hear what they want to hear.

I personally have no prejudice, bias, or discrimination against anyone in particular, I find them all equally untakeable.

well, that's not entirely true...i know a friend at Penn State who had taken commutative algebra and abstract algebra in his sophomore year, and was asking permission to take non-commutative algebra (which is a grad level course). So it can happen in any university, as long as the program (and faculty) allow it.

In the US, we have things like 'pre-requisites', which I know in Europe there aren't, or work quite differently; so as long as the student fulfills these pre-reqs, they have freedom to advance their education with graduate level courses in Science and Math.

The concept "racism" lost any meaning long ago. Now, as a word, it serves no descriptive function, except perhaps to convey the speaker's personal disapproval with whatever it is they attribute it to.

For example, I could say "broccoli is racist" to convey that I don't enjoy the taste of broccoli. In so doing, however, note that I have really only made a statement about myself, not about broccoli. That's the key to understanding what people are actually communicating when they bring up the idea of racism.

If someone says: "Saying that Asians are good at math is racist," grammatically it would appear that what they are saying is that the act of saying that Asians are good at math has a property "racist." By that interpretation, however, the statement is incoherent, because there exists no property "racist" which the act might or might not be. The unstated subject of the sentence is the speaker herself, and she is not asserting anything about the act of saying that Asians are good at math. Rather, she's asserting something about herself: that she disapproves of the act of saying that Asians are good at math.

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Originally posted by Arbiter If someone says: "Saying that Asians are good at math is racist," grammatically it would appear that what they are saying is that the act of saying that Asians are good at math has a property "racist." By that interpretation, however, the statement is incoherent, because there exists no property "racist" which the act might or might not be. The unstated subject of the sentence is the speaker herself, and she is not asserting anything about the act of saying that Asians are good at math. Rather, she's asserting something about herself: that she disapproves of the act of saying that Asians are good at math.

Well, clearly, you're sexist since you're attributing a wanton act of racism to a female speaker!

but racism has turned into its own lil self eating monster. I can't even make a generalization about a race no matter how good it is because its not true of the wholllle population only 75% of it?!?! like come on.


I feel the same way about pedophiles. Society has got to chill on the whole pedophile thing. I get it, theres people out there that are sick and twisted but its not the whole fuckin population. It's gotten to the point I am afraid to even look at a kid on the street. I fuckin love kids. I like making funny faces at them, i like listening to their unimpressive stories and i like to make them laugh. But if one comes up to me on the street and says hi, I am fuckin terrified of them. "where the fuck are your parents, just turn around don't look back and walk towards them." society has killed children for me. I make a funny face at them in an airplane and all of a sudden their mother is huddling them in like im a sex offender or something.

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister Is this statement racist: White people are whiter than black people.

I could actually put up an argument: Albinos and Bi-racial people. My family tree on my mother's side consists of what amounts to mutts, mixed with white, black and Native American ancestry, and complete with blonde hair, blue eyes, pale skin, and nappy hair.


Now here's one for you: I have had white Americans share with me conspiracies of an "ongoing genocide plot against white people". They bring up all kinds of B.S., from black crimes against white people, interracial dating/marriages and multiculturalism, HIV statistics, and the "Asia for Asians, Africa for Africans, Europe for everyone" B.S. I would fire back bringing up how multicultural the Roman Empire was, how the whites colonized the entire world, how South Africa has a white population, etc. You can imagine how those discussions turned out.

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy but racism has turned into its own lil self eating monster. I can't even make a generalization about a race no matter how good it is because its not true of the wholllle population only 75% of it?!?! like come on. I feel the same way about pedophiles. Society has got to chill on the whole pedophile thing. I get it, theres people out there that are sick and twisted but its not the whole fuckin population. It's gotten to the point I am afraid to even look at a kid on the street. I fuckin love kids. I like making funny faces at them, i like listening to their unimpressive stories and i like to make them laugh. But if one comes up to me on the street and says hi, I am fuckin terrified of them. "where the fuck are your parents, just turn around don't look back and walk towards them." society has killed children for me. I make a funny face at them in an airplane and all of a sudden their mother is huddling them in like im a sex offender or something.

Sounds like a louis c.k. joke.

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy what I can`t stand about racism is that anything you say about a specific culture people deem as racism if you`re white. How is saying something like asians are good at math, racist?

Aaaww, man, was it because of that photo? I thought it was so awesome

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy you would think asians would be proud that they are highly educated compared to North Americans.How is that any way negative? doesnt racism have a certain hatred attached to it or negative connotation?

Not really. I hang out with loads of Asians here, and I've seen this backfire quite often.

You see, I know you didn't say that with any ill intention, but it can both be a way of discriminating against non-Asians (yes, I've seen that happen, usually as a result of cultural cringe) or just being Asian and not fitting to the stereotype (which leads to a rather bizarre inferiority complex because you can't adhere to a false standard).

Still, if it happened because of that picture, then someone really needs to lighten up, because it was obviously an inoffensive joke

He doesn't know he is an African Grey.

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Originally posted by Lira Aaaww, man, was it because of that photo? I thought it was so awesome Not really. I hang out with loads of Asians here, and I've seen this backfire quite often. You see, I know you didn't say that with any ill intention, but it can both be a way of discriminating against non-Asians (yes, I've seen that happen, usually as a result of cultural cringe) or just being Asian and not fitting to the stereotype (which leads to a rather bizarre inferiority complex because you can't adhere to a false standard). Still, if it happened because of that picture, then someone really needs to lighten up, because it was obviously an offensive joke

hahha it was because of that photo> I deleted it, but I kind of regret that I did

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy hahha it was because of that photo> I deleted it, but I kind of regret that I did

Re-upload it and don't let the political correct madness ruin the world!

i'm not racist because jews are not a race. If you can't convert to black...it makes it so.

There's no such thing as a "positive" stereotype, or generalization. C'mon, even South Park did an episode on this. I think it's called "The Death Camp of Tolerance" or something. It's the first episode that features Lemmywinks.

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