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Alrighty then. Hope you're well mate!


oh yea lifes great right now, got laid off time to make music. I got 70 days left on this ableton trial, phew.

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Mel David
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🦉 Side-chaining kick & bass should always be done if they are occupying similar frequencies in the mix. This helps the kick punch through. If you want the effect less audible, a multi-band compressor can be used so that you are only ducking 20-90 Hz of the bassline.

Have you tried to cut a bit of the low frequency of the arp pattern or transposing it an octave or +5 or some other interval? Some mix engineers hi-pass almost everything just to make sure there are no unnecessary low frequencies, which may not be audible on one track but accumulates across many tracks.



Also worth a try: duplicate that arp pattern & change the notes to be kick drums & use this for the compressor sidechain trigger. This pattern's audio is not routed to the main mix output, only the compressor to act as a trigger. May have to fiddle with the lengths of the MIDI notes & the release & attack time of the compressor.

Duplicate the main melody & use strings so you've got two layers now which will help to differentiate it from the arp pattern.

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TranceLover007
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Just another WIP for my collection lol - I know that one day I will have to start to releasing some of them but as of right now I'm going through with some of my ideas and later pick the best ones.


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SystematicX1
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quote:
Originally posted by TranceLover007
Just another WIP for my colection lol - I know that one day I will have to start to releasing some of them but as of right now I'm going through with some of my ideas and later pick the best ones.


Cheers,

Darek




Damn you D!!! ::sigh:: I seriously wish you guys would stop with this. Between YOU and Story putting up these freakin bomb ass finished tracks, how about you guys share your methods.
I mean, like you guys need ANY critiquing,screw that....teach us of our lost ways...lol
Good shit D, as always lol


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TranceLover007
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Originally posted by SystematicX1
Damn you D!!! ::sigh:: I seriously wish you guys would stop with this. Between YOU and Story putting up these freakin bomb ass finished tracks, how about you guys share your methods.
I mean, like you guys need ANY critiquing,screw that....teach us of our lost ways...lol
Good shit D, as always lol


Lol - appreciate man, you are to kind

As far as my production technique - what would you like to know?

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SystematicX1
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quote:
Originally posted by TranceLover007
Lol - appreciate man, you are to kind

As far as my production technique - what would you like to know?

Darek


You know actually man, it isn't really a specific thing or even an area.
One thing I have appreciated here on the production forum over the years is the fact that no matter what state the track was, producers here broke it down, for anyone hence the real purpose of this thread

For me, it has always been a kind of reverse psychology. When a true WIP walks in here I have always tried to lend an "ear" and remained perfectly biased.
When I can, I try to break down every aspect of the problem issue in order to come to a pleasing result from the artist.
Fact is, I learn from others track mistakes and oddly enough when I run into areas like that on my tracks, I know what not to do.
So, my whole point is this...
You guys put up these freakin polished mastered bangers that are already complete. And although I really dig and admire your guy's work, I don't learn from it. I have heard WIPs from you guys that sounded really messed up (as they all are). But when I see what you say about what YOU think your track state is in and then I see someone posting something completely different... Well,they are not wrong, it is just a different set of perspective. And this is how I learn,personally.
Gah, this is probably not making any sense and I do apologize D. It isn't meant as a rail only a very light hearted poke lol


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TranceLover007
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quote:
Originally posted by SystematicX1
You know actually man, it isn't really a specific thing or even an area.
One thing I have appreciated here on the production forum over the years is the fact that no matter what state the track was, producers here broke it down, for anyone hence the real purpose of this thread

For me, it has always been a kind of reverse psychology. When a true WIP walks in here I have always tried to lend an "ear" and remained perfectly biased.
When I can, I try to break down every aspect of the problem issue in order to come to a pleasing result from the artist.
Fact is, I learn from others track mistakes and oddly enough when I run into areas like that on my tracks, I know what not to do.
So, my whole point is this...
You guys put up these freakin polished mastered bangers that are already complete. And although I really dig and admire your guy's work, I don't learn from it. I have heard WIPs from you guys that sounded really messed up (as they all are). But when I see what you say about what YOU think your track state is in and then I see someone posting something completely different... Well,they are not wrong, it is just a different set of perspective. And this is how I learn,personally.
Gah, this is probably not making any sense and I do apologize D. It isn't meant as a rail only a very light hearted poke lol


I hear you man, tomorrow I will try to walk you through my basic process of getting a new track started.

Cheers,

Darek


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Storyteller
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Okay, why not.

For me it went like this. I came across this tune (below) on Spotify (discover weekly). I loved the chord progression and set a goal to recreate it and then see what happens.


Projects, for me, always start with a clean slate. No preset config. I imported the tune mentioned above into Ableton, took aan arbitrary piano and started recreating the chords.
When I had the first 4-5 chords (can't quite remember) I put a kick under it to see what placement/timing would do. When I had a progression I liked I started to build a beat.

Usually for me that goes something like this in order:
Kick
Offbeat closed hat
Low perc to get groove going
Mid perc
high perc (put in light reverbed drum track in this project)

Looking at the image below I built up the above list gradually wile sifting through loads of samples. You can see I made a split based on character. Some drum elements I wanted to have light reverb, others heavy.



Then I replaced the midi/piano with a sylenth one factory preset. Added Trillian for bass, with volume automation to mimic side-chaining.



Then I wanted to work on an intro, got my fav synth out (Synth1, free VST) which created the strings that now push the track forward. I modified the chords a bit to make it feel better. As a result they don't really fit with the previous clip anymore. Unintented bonus is I have the potential to create 2 tracks with the same project now .



Now I needed to make it more exciting. I wanted to add some shimmer on top of the chords. Chicane does that all to well so I tried to recreate it. It's basically a simple arp with some supersaw-ish sound from Sylenth1 with a lot of reverb.

Dry


wet


Then I started adding some sfx to make the intro more exciting, because it was just lengthy. Added some shakers in a new drum rack with heavy reverb. Somewhere in between I also played with the chord progression I originally intended. At the end of the preview you can hear a piano version and some electric piano I still intend to use for the second take on this track.

Current state of the track.


If you merge the picture below with the previous picture you can see the full arrangement currently built:


Most synths are highpassed at various frequencies and some drum sounds also individually altered through the drum rack. The drum bus is compressed altogether at the group level with 'The Glue' compressor and on master there is a basic limiter running which gets hit very slightly.

Now, for me, I'm left figuring out how to proceed. No clue.

Questions?


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SystematicX1
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OMG This!! I'm going to let this all settle on my brain and I will get back. I know I have questions but can wait.
Thanks guys....THIS!!!!


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Storyteller
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I get where you're coming from. I used to use trackers back in the day (mid 90's). The song files would contain the arrangement and the samples so you could see everything done to make it sound the way it did. Just copying can learn you so much.

This is not quite the same as sharing a project file, but I'm hoping with the seperate parts of audio, somewhat descriptive text and screenshots go a long way.





Spent some time in the studio of (and with) my neighbor last night. We made slight alterations on a track we finished a year ago (called Falling) and sort of finished our second collab as well (called Mai Thai). Some mix & arrangement alterations still needed but would love to have some input if you have any. Especially Mai Thai has some dodgy stuff going on, I think at some point the kick becomes way too loud.


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Mel David
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🦉 If you're going to do a mini-tut or breakdown of your track it should be in a new thread. Otherwise it's just going to get lost over time amongst the other posts in this thread.

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SystematicX1
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Originally posted by Mel David
🦉 If you're going to do a mini-tut or breakdown of your track it should be in a new thread. Otherwise it's just going to get lost over time amongst the other posts in this thread.


This is true, however....how many of us really post on here? 6?
::edit:: As well, yea this is kind of a Track breakdown but at the same time even though Story is breaking it down on some of the process at the end he is treating it as a WIP and asking for suggestions because the song is unfinished


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