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Storyteller
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Nice and stabby chords you got going on there. The bass doesn't always work too well with the track 21s-23s is a bit awkward. The washed out hats seems to be your thing when connecting it to the other previews . I would still love more separation there.

The increased reverb is lovely, added sounds araound 50s too. The guitars fits the theme wel mixwise it is far too loud. Same for the sax and lead piano.

You've got all the parts available for a lovely full track. Time to work on that arrangement and have something done . Really that's where you're going to make or break it from hereon.


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Mr.Mystery
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Has that old school Chicane vibe to it.


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SystematicX1
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Registered: Sep 2010
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hmmm nothing to reply to. Thought MSZ had a new Wip posted

Ok, a few notes on this WIP
Started messing with this track but approached it in a different method this time.
This piece is all over the board honestly. There is no composition really and pieces are put together in order for me to see the side by side comparisons. Most of those pieces contain like a different cymbal/shaker change.

Areas I am looking at :

Needs a lead part
Some of the filter sweeps could be transitioned better
Better composition with drop and breakdown


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zsm
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yea I had something up, but the novelty wore off, it was pretty bad.

what do you want critique on in that wip specifically, I cant really help but I can still give you my 2 cents.

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SystematicX1
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yea I had something up, but the novelty wore off, it was pretty bad.

what do you want critique on in that wip specifically, I cant really help but I can still give you my 2 cents.


Just overall vibe actually. Curious on how the bass is sitting with the percussion. I guess overall feel


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zsm
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I cant really wrap my head around it but personally I find the treble too be too much for me to maybe enjoy this, and I do like the bass but the kick and the bounce from it is maybe not working, need a deeper combo. im not sure to be honest.




the bass motif somewhat reminds me of this track, you might dig it.

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zsm
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tonights work or lack there of



hopefully when I wake up it doesnt sound like poo.

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SystematicX1
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Registered: Sep 2010
Location: Las Vegas

Thanks for the reply man and sorry I didnt get to this sooner. Schedule has been way off.
As for your track, I am curious. And this goes back to what I spoke to Daryk about. What are you using for monitoring?
The reason I ask is, on my track that you just critiqued you mentioned to High of a Treble, yet on your track I am getting a mid to sub level "muffle".
I dig the progression and the mellow tones over that drive yet it needs to be a bit clearer for me.
Just as a note, I generally monitor things in my truck as I have a pretty good system. At least for me, I hear the difference when I make tracks and usually with what I do in the studio seems alot different when I put it on the truck. Usually I just sigh in disbelief and go back and throw things...lol


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zsm
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oh yea its definitely too muffled and congested in the low mids, mixing fatigue maybe. right now im using tma-2 headphones and a boombox so take what I say with a grain of salt.

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SystematicX1
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oh yea its definitely too muffled and congested in the low mids, mixing fatigue maybe. right now im using tma-2 headphones and a boombox so take what I say with a grain of salt.


No I feel ya there. I mean, I am sorry Darek, it means all the difference in the world. And when I am saying that I am speaking of myself.
I'll explain what was explained to me but this might get a little lengthy. And now granted, this goes for ANYONE and their work space environment they are in.
A little story first.
10 days ago I had the distinct privilege of going into a world class studio here in Vegas. Quite simply ...blown away. It was my first visit to a studio like that and I left with the biggest freakin wood,all day.

I spoke to one of the engineers on site about my situation. I told him I am at best a bedroom producer. I feel my compositions and arrangements are fairly DECENT. My production.....sucks. He asked me a few questions (all the while laughing at me inside...I just know he was) and at one point he asked me what monitors I am using, which caught me off guard because I instantly thought back to the conversation here on TA with Trancelover.
Simply put, I told him I didn't have any. So he then asked me about Headphones. Now then, I am going to table that conversation for a moment and segue into the headphone thing.
About 6-7 years ago, I actually felt I had a decent tonality to my mixes. At that time I was using a pair of Senni HD 600's. (I had heard somewhere before that Eric Prydz uses headphones almost exclusively in his mixes so I though..hmmm).
I absolutely loved those cans except for one thing. Out of about 4 headphone trials the Senni's (again at the time) blew the competition level out of the water (imo) but...the comfort level was inferior.
I became extremely ear fatigued and it occurred so much that I went to other headphones just to keep from getting headaches and ear aches.
Eventually, I used the 600's for pure reference until the (what I believe) cone went out on them.
At the time, I spent around 500$ for those. That is nearly a 1/3 of the cost of monitors, or at least "decent" ones that are flat frequency response. *note - Currently, I can get a pair of Yamaha H8's for close to that.

Now then.....the continuation of the story.
Eventually the question finally landed because I was to embarrassed to spit it out. As Gary looked a little confused he asked me "So then, what are you using?)
Looking down I replied "Uh...Archaic wood pieces from the black plague era"
He burst out laughing although I was not to amused. As the conversation progressed I was actually able to bring up a bounced out lossless wip I had been working on on their board and when it was initially played, I cringed (as did he).
However, INSTANTLY I knew what was wrong, or at least I feel I have enough experience in recognizing what was wrong. I mean, as bad as it sounded it was also a ::insert glorious angels singing sample:: moment.
I got to hear two sets of speakers (one in reference) and it was night and day then what I had ever expected. But there again, at the very least I knew what was wrong just from hearing those few minutes.
Eventually, I had him turn it off...lol I mean it was really bad sounding.
With that said, granted this was a professional environment. It had the best of the best not to withstanding the treatments and acoustics of the room. I have none of that (as most don't either).
So...in explanation to me. "Phil, you will never achieve the quality of mixes you want to achieve with your current setup. All ears are different but at the very least "tonality" is common to those who are trained to knowing what to hear. When you are enclosed in an environment (that your ears become accustom to) that is not treated , your sound will bounce everywhere. Using "High Fidelity" speakers are not giving you the response you need to make a solid mix. This is why your tones and sound are "everywhere".

In a nutshell and closing this long ass story down. I learned a lot that day as well as other things to long to list. I also know now that cans are a personal thing. Some can do it very effectively, hence Darek. Myself, I believe monitors are the way to go and even though you can still get fatigued by to much listening, I at least wont be physically distressed. This is a goal but it comes with additional cost's as well (solid computer offering low latency,external soundcard,etc.)


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zsm
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¯\_( ツ )_/¯

im balding

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gordan100
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idk this one isnt going anywhere, failing to come up with any sort of hook.


This is nice, too bad you got stuck


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