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wotyzoid
it's not house



Registered: Apr 2007
Location: New Jersey

quote:
Originally posted by Lira
If I close the thread, am I seizing the means of post production? Given that it would kill the thread, I can't help but feel this would be the perfect analogy.


Don't even think about it!


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Old Post Jul-11-2018 11:16  United States
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Lira
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Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Brasília, Brazil

quote:
Originally posted by wotyzoid
Don't even think about it!

I'm not, I just noticed the irony in doing it


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Old Post Jul-11-2018 11:20  Brazil
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pkcRAISTLIN
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Registered: Jul 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by wotyzoid
You sure know how to use google


i wasted my youth with a double major + honours in the topic you're trying to lecture me about. my dissertation's opening quote came from the good karl himself. i've spent far, far more time reading socialist theory than you have. i don't need to google the basics of radical leftist politics as they've hardly changed since i was born and not at all since i finished school.

(courtesy of an education system funded by capitalist tax dollars i might add.)

quote:
Originally posted by wotyzoid
We get it that bothers you, already, but can you actually point out what's wrong about that statement?


my irritation doesn't stem from "state capitalism" being an erroneous term; i enjoy amusement that the brazilian commies today sound no different to the australian socialists 20 years ago. the annoyance comes from the 'no true scotsman' fallacy and the fact that radicals are unable to accept that all the tyrants who murdered so many people espoused the same rhetoric aussie socialists and brazilian commies are regurgitating years later. further, their attempts to argue that the dictatorship of the proletariat didn't have to result in murderous disasters is, so far, not supported by the evidence.

quote:
Originally posted by wotyzoid
Besides your obvious caricature of it, it seems you don't actually have any solid critiques of communism as an economic theory. Isn' t that what you came here to do? Let's get to it. All of these google facts you posted have me dying of boredom.


you've already shown in the AGW and GFC threads you really struggle following a proper conversation. this thread is another example; i keep responding to your posts but you give little in return. you ask me lame, boring questions about stuff i forgot before you were 10, and then accuse me of using google and being boring, lol.

quote:
Originally posted by wotyzoid
Gave up, "grew out of", lost your edge. We are just arguing semantics. I think you know what I mean when I call you broken. Capitalism beat you over the head so many times you just regurgitate whatever. It seems like you're upset.


it's your choice of words. it's not my fault if you're using them poorly.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid
Yep, this is pretty much when I thought you'd start back tracking. I predict in another two post you'll finally fall on your sword.


really? that's your response? i was criticising your "inevitability" claim while saying you'll be here when it happens to "see who was right". prediction of the future: check. thinking they'll be here when it happens: check. "magical thinking" is an unfair description though

please, tell us more about what society will be like in 10,000 years.


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SYSTEM-J
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Manchester

quote:
Originally posted by wotyzoid
I wanna take the time in what may be one of my greatest achievements to thank Jack and Sand Leaper. They were the only ones to come in here with their pants on and offer any nuance to this topic. Jack especially, barring his first comment, kept his head on his shoulders the whole time and did not let our antipathy towards eachother get too much in the way. I am really proud of what we accomplished. Memes and shit posting incoming.

Edit: I guess I'll put pkc's name here too, he did some nice plagiarism with the google machine.


I'd like to claim it's because I'm becoming a better person with age, but it's more that getting into this argument with you increasingly feels like the intellectual equivalent of wanking off over some really seedy shit and then hating yourself afterwards.


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Old Post Jul-11-2018 11:41  England
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wotyzoid
it's not house



Registered: Apr 2007
Location: New Jersey

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i wasted my youth with a double major + honours in the topic you're trying to lecture me about. my dissertation's opening quote came from the good karl himself. i've spent far, far more time reading socialist theory than you have. i don't need to google the basics of radical leftist politics as they've hardly changed since i was born and not at all since i finished school.

(courtesy of an education system funded by capitalist tax dollars i might add.)


Lol, you're cool.


quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
my irritation doesn't stem from "state capitalism" being an erroneous term; i enjoy amusement that the brazilian commies today sound no different to the australian socialists 20 years ago. the annoyance comes from the 'no true scotsman' fallacy and the fact that radicals are unable to accept that all the tyrants who murdered so many people espoused the same rhetoric aussie socialists and brazilian commies are regurgitating years later. further, their attempts to argue that the dictatorship of the proletariat didn't have to result in murderous disasters is, so far, not supported by the evidence.


Ah, so basically you're projecting. Because not once did I say Stalin and Mao did nothing wrong and not once did I defend any opportunist. So what else do you think you know about my views? You want to compare numbers? How many lives has capitalism claimed? Wars for land and resources don't count right?

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
you've already shown in the AGW and GFC threads you really struggle following a proper conversation. this thread is another example; i keep responding to your posts but you give little in return. you ask me lame, boring questions about stuff i forgot before you were 10, and then accuse me of using google and being boring, lol.


Let's read that again. You had to google the difference between anarchism and communism and I'm the one who has trouble following proper conversation? Even if this was a proper conversation I don't think I'd be the one in trouble.

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
please, tell us more about what society will be like in 10,000 years.


For that is precisely what this thread is about. I get a deep sense of pleasure in seeing you give up here, but I wish you hadn't done that in your quests for the truth in real life.


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wotyzoid
it's not house



Registered: Apr 2007
Location: New Jersey

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'd like to claim it's because I'm becoming a better person with age, but it's more that getting into this argument with you increasingly feels like the intellectual equivalent of wanking off over some really seedy shit and then hating yourself afterwards.


The feeling is mutual, except I don't hate myself afterwards.


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wotyzoid
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Jon_Snow
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quote:
Originally posted by Lira
I'm not, I just noticed the irony in doing it

Keep it open even if for only for the means to produce LOLs.

Lira I’m curious have you ever meet this Kenny IRL. He seems harmless like a Langarian Lite.

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DJ RANN
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN




and that's the thing that shat me back in the day and still shits me now. socialists get to ascribe any features to their pretend societies that they want. you can't have a rational conversation with someone whose ideology is literally reliant upon predicting the future. they get to use any narrative they choose because "all those socialist countries were really state capitalist states and real communism is nothing like that!". it's one big 'no true scotsman' fallacy on top of economic retardism.


That's the whole reason I told him to name a successful communist state (there isn't one) so what it triggers in these nutjobs is they start banging on about how no one got it right/they were only pseudo communist (and hence why it failed)/they weren't communist enough/etc/etc/etc.

They think as if there was just some utopian "pure" version, that it would all work out and they basically rely on this fantasy, one that's never panned out as "proof" that it would work....forgetting that it's not even the 50th time that communism has been tried on a major scale and not fucking worked, not to mention that even if one state did, the rest of the planet would still be capitalist (unless he genuinely thinks some communist new world order is going to entirely propagate, which is a whole level of batshit I won't even get in to).

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wotyzoid
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You cannot stop the future. No matter how much cry and scream it is always running towards you.


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Silky Johnson
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon_Snow
Keep it open even if for only for the means to produce LOLs.

Lira I’m curious have you ever meet this Kenny IRL. He seems harmless like a Langarian Lite.



I have met Kenny in real life. He is a sweet soul. How many TAs have you met in real life IGK? Oh right, none. Piss off.


edit: no wait. Kenny is HARD AS FUCK.

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