|Originally posted by Lira |
Coincidentally, I am in a faculty position, but I'm afraid the systems are different if you came to this conclusion. Here's how it works in Brazil:
|4~5 years||Bachelor or Licence||If you're a bachelor of whatever, you can get a good job; if you get a licence (like I did) you can teach in schools and, under special circumstances, as a temp at a university (like I also did)|
|2 years||Master's Degree||Teaching at a university in a faculty position becomes possible (both my wife and I did this)... Not sure why else you'd get a Master's. Better jobs ate the private sector?|
|4 years*||Doctorate||You're given maximum priority in admissions for faculty positions - if you're a lecturer, you get a hefty bonus (i.e. I'll get an average German salary ). No idea why someone in the private sector would even consider getting one of these around here!|
*It took me 5 years because I played tug of war with my advisor. Don't ever do that!
|6 months?||Post-doctorate||It either means you're waiting to get a job in the private sector and studying in the meantime or you're getting a break in the public sector and you're doing this to get more bonuses - it seems to me that in Germany it is not common to be a PostDoc AND a part of a faculty, is it?|
How does it differ from the Deutsche system?
I can only speak for STEM disciplines, but it generally looks like this:
- Bachelor (3-4 y): You can get a job, but not a great one as many people and employers see this as a premature termination of your studies. We had a system based on the Diplom degree before and that was Bachelor + Master in one. Most students continue with a Master.
- Master (~2 y): After this people usually leave university and get an industry job. Even those in the humanities usually end up in an administration, HR or whatever job because it pays better and is more secure. You can teach but only at schools, not at universities.
- PhD / Doctorate (3-6 y): In STEM you'll get a research assistant position usually at a university. They typically screw you by giving you a part time position but expect full time work. Even if you get a full position (like I did) you make less than the people who got an industry job after their Bachelor's. You can (and often have to) teach university classes.
- PostDoc: Most people (like me) are completely fed up with the academic system st this point and switch to industry or public sector jobs. In STEM you enter higher than a Master, at about the same level that someone with 4 years experience has reached in the meantime. If you do a PostDoc you finally get a full position, which is badly paid and usually limited to 2 years. Then you need to find another PostDoc, typically at a different uni, again on a limited contract and with a low income. You do this until you manage to get a faculty position somewhere, which is extremely hard since there are far more PostDocs than open professor positions.
I was asking to see if you're stuck in that horrible PostDoc phase, but luckily you're not.
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Last edited by Meat187 on Dec-17-2015 at 10:02