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Originally posted by wotyzoid Not exactly like this though. Dilma's impeachment was completely political because the economy was doing bad and they came up with some bullshit of crime of responsibility, as I remember it. I don't want this to go the coup route, but if the orange turd broke campaign finance laws than it should be game over for him.

It's not that different, actually, and I say this as someone who's voted for the Workers' Party in the run-offs every singe election since 2002:

• Coup/Witch Hunt: The words of spin doctors trying to delegitimise valid institutions. Dilma mismanaged Brazilian finances and there was a law against it. A long legal (and political) process brought her down after more than a year, where she had quite a few chances to defend herself (and she fought to the bitter end), without the military getting their hands dirty or anything.
  
  Likewise, Trump supporters seem to think this is a witch hunt, biased, or unfair, because there's no proof there was some collusion yet. If Trump is impeached for any other reason (like paying Stormy Daniels or whatever), his election hacking will be like Dilma's Lava Jato.
  
  
• Unwavering support: No matter what Trump does, large swathes of the population seem to stand behind him, and they're willing to criticise the law if the Don and the constitution clash. Likewise, I actually heard leftists in my university debate scraping the "clean slate" law (signed by Lula himself to fight corruption) because Lula was supposedly framed - needless to say, doing away with the law would actually bring old corrupt practices back.
  
  
• Moro & Mueller: Who led the coup/witch hunt? A judge (in Brazil) and an attorney (in the US). Both legal figures in a highly politicised scenario. There's graffiti in my university claiming Moro is a CIA mole. I wish that were true, because it would make my analogy even more perfect
  
  
• Plea Deals: Lots of 'em. Our delação premiada was actually inspired in American plea deals.
  
  
• The End Is Always Nigh: By the time Dilma was impeached, I was burnt out. I couldn't stand hearing the word impeachment again. So much had happened, from her hiring Lula as chief of staff (which would shield him from prosecution) to... everything else. Likewise, the word impeachment has been dropped occasionally since the outset of Trump's government. It's come to a point I'm no longer outraged by anything that mutant pumpkin does, just like his supporters seem to be numb by now unless it's his undoing.
  
  
• Populist backlash from across the spectrum: It's not hard to imagine Trump's impeachment would boost Bernie Sanders popularity (or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez), just as Dilma's downfall seems to have given Bolsonaro in Brazil some undeserved attention. It's hard to imagine who would wreck the economy first though, if elected.

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True, you've made good points. I guess as a layman I just never really understood Dilma's crime so I ended up feeling like the whole thing was fishy. Trump's alleged crimes are obviously crimes on the other hand, you'd have to be in serious denial to not see how he's a crook if the evidence is presented. Money laundering, fraud, tax evasion, conspiracy, campaign finance violations, aiding and abetting, obstruction. It's high level white collar shit, but us plebs can still grasp it somehow.

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Originally posted by Lira Dilma mismanaged Brazilian finances and there was a law against it. A long legal (and political) process brought her down after more than a year, where she had quite a few chances to defend herself (and she fought to the bitter end), without the military getting their hands dirty or anything.

I was there around the time that they were having hearings in the congress and senate and I'd watch tv camera with my grandpa all day and I still couldn't understand what they were charging her with. I couldn't understand how it was supposedly impeachable if she was too dumb and made some mistakes in allocating money, and as far as I know she never personally benefitted from any scheme connected to this thing, so the whole thing seemed unfair and like the opposition was taking the public for a ride. Maybe that's how trump supporters feel.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN The DNC wanted a card carrying high profile member of their party - not an independent from one of the smallest states, to represent them.

This is exactly the problem I'm addressing. If you werent so out of touch and interested in reading your own posts you'd understand that and this wouldn't even be a discussion. Keep putting party before country. He won the primary for almost all the Rust belt states sans Ohio I believe. Did you think about that? Quit trying to feed me these neo-lib points before I start up the flamethrower. I'm radical, sir. Let me be more clear. SHE WAS A WEAK CANDITATE, WEAKER THAN BERNIE ON THE NATIONAL STAGE. THE DNC SHIT THE BED. THIS IS IRREFUTABLE.

Yes I have looked at his voting record very diligently. Bernie is not even what I really want, he just sounds like a dream at this exact moment. All of this you're saying about him is your opinion. It sounds like a personal problem.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN So if you actually read a little about how these things works you might channel your butthurt somewhere else.

I don't give a fuck how "these things work", I'm interested in getting the money and corruption OUT of politics, no perpetuating a broken two party system where the rich and connected pick candidates out of the clique and only people who are "in" get a real shot. The DNC is gonna keep disanfranchising its voters for the sake of its corporate donors and you're gonna keep seeing ocasio-cortezes taking over establishment, super pac seats. Watch. Keep telling people to get in line, see how far that will get you. And I voted for her. I AM crying inside, donald trump is president thanks to people that think like you. WELL PLAYED

So, anyways, which is it? He is a trained politician with 40 years experience in public service and overwhelming support of his contituents, or is he is a lightweight. Granted his constituency is tiny, he has a winning record like almost no other politician in DC. But you can keep trying to downplay that. Shows how out of touch you are.

And which is it? It's a popularity contest but she was the right choice because of her qualifications? Even though she lost to a guy that can't even get to a 50% approval rating, and Bernie had the edge on every national poll against Trump. Russian bots wrote all those sensationalist articles about his policies and gave hillary all that coverage day in and day out leading up to the convention, rite? You can keep talking shit about Bernie or bust people all you want, but they all have a very serious point. SHE LOST TO DONALD TRUMP. HALF THE COUNTRY HATES HER. FACTS.

You keep talking like the whole country is made up of democrats, with these neo-lib cable news talking points. I watch a lot cable news, I've heard it all. She was a deeply UNPOPULAR candidate. She won the nomination because it was politics as usual for the DNC. And she lost. Against Donald Trump. Period.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Can't have it both ways....

Stop derailing my thread now.

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Last edited by wotyzoid on Aug-25-2018 at 23:57

Let's talk about how trump is gonna declare martial law once he gets indicted by NY state court! Yay

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So there’s libtards on here too? Trump ain’t goin nowhere, stop it with this shit. Tools.

Yes!

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Originally posted by DaylightMoon So there’s libtards on here too? Trump ain’t goin nowhere, stop it with this shit. Tools.

What a colossal surprise that someone who bursts into tears when his favourite trance producer makes a track that he doesn't like would be a Trump supporter. One overgrown baby leading another.

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He sure convinced me, stopping right now...

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Last edited by wotyzoid on Aug-26-2018 at 13:41

What are you trying to say? Looks like lovely party people to me.

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Originally posted by wotyzoid What are you trying to say? Looks like lovely party people to me.

Really? They don’t look like perverted lunatics to you? Ok.

They don't look like lunatics, and perversion is part of life and perfectly legal in most cases. Are you anti-gay?

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