^Are you a christian?

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Originally posted by Mattsanity. ^Are you a christian?

That is immaterial to the discussion; however, yes, I am a Roman Catholic.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

It was a random question but I asked because living for Jesus should be the top occupation for a christian, and you disagreed. I guess your right though.

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Originally posted by RJT

Vijo Morganstein

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.

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Originally posted by Mattsanity. It was a random question but I asked because living for Jesus should be the top occupation for a christian, and you disagreed. I guess your right though.

First; the obligation upon Christians is to take on an apostolic mission; that can take many forms; however, "living for Jesus" is not one of them. You live for you and you glorify God by serving man through the example of Jesus. To be truthful; a blanket "live for Jesus" is so broad and vague that it is meaningless.

Second; what I was objecting to was your claim that the position you went on to advance was "the accepted theology," when it clearly isn't. While there is no single authoritative voice on what Christian doctrine is (owing to the great variety of Christian sects) the largest, oldest, most established, and best resourced authority on Christian doctrine and theology is the Catholic Church which accounts for 1.4-1.5 billion (1.2 billion Roman Catholic, 200-300 million Eastern Orthodox) of the approx 2 billion Christians. So, the Catholics are approx 75% of the Christians out there... that 75% hold the position I posted; subsequently, the position I posted would have to be consided "the accepted theology." So, "the accepted theology" is not that people who kill themselves are punished in hell for eternity because they chose suicide over Jesus as you stated; rather, it is that most forms of suicide are sins against God, God may absolve them of this sin (we don't know, it's up to God), and that we pray that God does absolve them and grant them salvation. I would recommend that in the future, if you are not putting forward the documented position or doctrine of the Catholic Church then you may wish to qualify your statements as being your position/belief, or specify which denomonation of christianity you are stating the position/belief of.

Third; that was not a random question, it was entirely pointed.

Out of interest... what denomonation are you? Clearly, not one of the more mainstream churches.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

Last edited by Moral Hazard on Apr-18-2012 at 15:54

Do not be distracted by his words, Matt! He's just trying to deceive you!

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Do not be distracted by his words, Matt! He's just trying to deceive you!

My impression is that because I'm not on stage in a stadium sized church with a band, lightshow, etc. there is no danger of him paying any heed to my words.... unless his pastor tells him to.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

Do you hear how he insults your lovers, Matthew?! KNOW THY DECEIVER'S TRUE NAME - I CAST YOU OUT, CRAIGOPHLES OF THE BLEAK WASTES! BEGONE!

*beats poor people with a holy rug*

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There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
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Presbyterian

Would you consider yourself a true Soldier of God, Mattheugh?

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Originally posted by Mattsanity. Presbyterian

That surprises me, as you sound far more baptist or non-aligned evangelical in your rhetoric (of course now that I notice the Korean flag it makes a little more sense). It really surprises me that you would misrepresent your personal views as being established doctrine or "accepted theology" given that you come from a confessional tradition.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down