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Originally posted by jonmitz did you miss this part? or this: y'all are posting some pretty specific things, that are not open to interpretation in any way. and adding any regional modifier to a genre is making it obscure AND specific.

I was just explaining to ziptnf the reasoning behind the "obscure" choice of genre that was made. Narrowing your suggestion of genre down to a certain era, approach or regional variation is one of the things that makes the genre challenge an actual "challenge" in the first place (previous suggestions such as breakbeat hardcore, electro or schranz are examples of this).

I see your point, of course. There's only so much room for variation once you narrow things down to the extent "NY hard house" does. I'd argue that diversity and variation isn't necessarily the point of this challenge, though. It is how the DJ copes with operating within a very specific set of genre boundaries, however narrow. Any room for interpretation or creative liberties is just a bonus in that regard. Considering how popular the tribal stuff being referred to as "NY hard house" so far has been with Twilo devotees, I don't think it is an unreasonable and too obscure suggestion, as long as the music is readily available at your usual digital download stores.

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Not to forget that Oakenfold featured Lil Mo' Yin Yang - Reach (Basement Jaxx Firecracker Mix) on GU004, which shows that Hard House from NY was prevalent across the globe too since all the big players in the game endorsed it. I'm not even from new york btw so it was a challenge myself when I discovered this era of music a few years ago.

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Originally posted by jonmitz Signed up/I would like to add "bass" to the list of things we are choosing

Bass?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Bass?

Seriously though, I'm all for suggesting interesting genres but what is bass? Why can't we have something a little more defined, like tech house or progressive trance? Not saying it has to be that boring, but being too over-generalized or too specific should be pretty obvious. It's like submitting "electronica".

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i mean, it's open to interpretation? it's not really a set genre but more of a certain type of sound. i could sit here and try to explain what that means from my perspective but really it stretches across genres

in any case, i guess the submissions should have an example since music is so subjective


here is a mix i did with a couple styles/subgenres of what i would call bass: https://soundcloud.com/jonmitz/dream-chaser

anything from stuff like this






to a more darker/heavier kind of thing



or slower stuff like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfoHUOCK6Dw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehk6m2seDTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=580fAcO2Eik
http://www.beatport.com/track/let-g...nal-mix/5149331

other genres have this kinda sound to them
psychedelic

bass house would fall under this umbrella


anyways, i have no problem changing my submission if this is too arbitrary for the consensus. i'll just swap it for psychedelic/tribal instead since that's pretty straight forward


edit: fix tables

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Originally posted by jonmitz anyways, i have no problem changing my submission if this is too arbitrary for the consensus. i'll just swap it for psychedelic/tribal instead since that's pretty straight forward

Am I alone in thinking that psychedelic and tribal are extremely different?

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Originally posted by Lews Am I alone in thinking that psychedelic and tribal are extremely different?

You're not. Unless he wants psychedelic tribal? I think he's done a mix of that before, but he's one of the only people I've seen do a mix with those flavors. Is that what you're sticking with, Jon? Psychedlelic tribal?

I feel like it hasn't been this difficult to select genres in the past.

I'm going to sign up shortly, once I decide.

Btw, here's a halfway decent point of reference for genres if you're having a hard time deciding:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ic_music_genres

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It feels like he's nominating willfully esoteric categories so he can then point us in the direction of his own mixes for reference.

EDIT: And Nick, that list contains such delights as "aggrotech", "cybergrind" and "suomisaundi". You're fighting fire with a cluster bomb.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It feels like he's nominating willfully esoteric categories so he can then point us in the direction of his own mixes for reference.

It certainly does seem that way.

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EDIT: And Nick, that list contains such delights as "aggrotech", "cybergrind" and "suomisaundi". You're fighting fire with a cluster bomb.

(I've actually done a suomi mix )

Yes, but I figured people with half a brain will ignore "Dream Trance" in favor of Minimal Techno.

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There's a lot of modern music that hasn't settled into a well defined genre yet, which I think is what he's trying to put forward. What he calls 'bass' seems to be his preferred sound and I've heard crop up in several mixes of his.

Personally I don't think it's legitimate either, and that it should be changed to either UK bass or post-dubstep maybe? I know there's a lot of music that sort of hangs around or in between those sounds and you can definitely make something that sounds like a genre mix from that, but it's not really in the spirit of the challenge.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It feels like he's nominating willfully esoteric categories so he can then point us in the direction of his own mixes for reference.

hmm yes that is it

certainly not this at all

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There's a lot of modern music that hasn't settled into a well defined genre yet, which I think is what he's trying to put forward.

I'm choosing genres I am into, and doing my best to describe what i mean (this is such a crock of shit, because I don't know anything about any of the genres posted and I will bet you $20 everyone who has submitted a genre has done a mix in that style at some point. guess they just all want to link to their mixes? lol). if you look at my post you will see i gave a bunch of actual embded links and then a little one line link to a mix i did. it's not like i put it up front with size 40 font. thanks for the callout though! i'm not going change my submission because it doesnt have it's own section on beatport.com

As Bierheld hinted at, electronic music is exploding right now into all sorts of new genres that arent well defined.


a big point of the OP that I missed on my first read is that the people who submit genres will provide examples and artists to the person who gets that genre so why are we debating what a genre is? i will submit my first post about UK hard house was a bit unnecessary confused.

i think we have clarification enough on everything now to just continue with the competition, no?

e: cut excess stuff

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