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Originally posted by Midlothian He doesn't, but if we'd be violently forced to pick one who'd actually deserve to be the star of the show it'd probably have to be him for not just being a quality guy in his field of work but also being absolutely decent and sincere. Regardless of whether you like the records he plays, produces and releases on his label or not.

Are you sure about that? Have you been reading his social media page? Apparently, Armin 'cares' for the Trance scene.
Hint hint since you are not getting it Joof. He did this because of money not because he cares. Same as you. Enough with your bullshit already.

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ASOT 850 was more than just an epic gig for me, as many of you know and heard the interview with Armin on ASOT radio there’s a nice story behind how myself and Armin van Buuren made this stage happen. The world of the internet is full of presumptions and theories believing that underground DJ’s dislike mainstream DJ’s, as much as they are desperate for this to be true to create some glorified social media entertainment, I’m going to quash all that in the next few minutes. This is more the case of two old mates from different spectrums of the scene uniting together to reinvest into the Trance eco system that they both feel passionately about. If there’s one single person I know I can have a deep knowledgeable chat about Trance, its Armin and thats exactly what we did for a couple of hours as he drove to Tomorrowland. He cares just as much as I do about the more specialist/underground side of Trance and why he wanted to make this Progressive stage happen for me and for that reason we all need to thank him. ASOT has become one of the leading dedicated Trance festivals in the world now covering all flavours of Trance music all under one roof, thats something to be very proud of. Armin was extremely busy that night, hosting the live ASOT radio broadcast, performing and general running around, so for him to head to the Progressive stage and hang out for a while with me, shows how much he cares for this scene too (see pic). Thank you to everyone that attended this new Progressive arena, the atmosphere was outstanding. You all love live sets, heres a rare one from me, my set from A State Of Trance

https://www.facebook.com/john00fleming/posts/10155132680380927

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Originally posted by Trance-M When I read his FB message of today, I think, yes, that's how it used to be and that's how I liked it. I'm not even a big fan of his music, but I totally feel what he's saying.

He sounds like those preachers who constantly preaches about religion.

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Originally posted by Omnisphere He sounds like those preachers who constantly preaches about religion.

Just like preachers you don't need to listen or believe all of it.

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Originally posted by Omnisphere He sounds like those preachers who constantly preaches about religion.

No reason to delete your last post referring to this JOOF interview at page 34: http://en.calameo.com/read/000390171c26414f565d2

He didn't say anything I didn't already hear from him.

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Originally posted by Trance-M No reason to delete your last post referring to this JOOF interview at page 34: http://en.calameo.com/read/000390171c26414f565d2 He didn't say anything I didn't already hear from him.

Deep down he knows how much of a wreck the scene is. Pretending like everything is okay is never a good sign. I am just disappointed that he sunk to this low and basically made friendships with Armin but then again, this is for PR reasons. Trance was very futuristic and very creative. Now you get extremely boring productions that don't go anywhere and don't excite you as much. All that touring I am sure is to blame for them losing their creativity.

I actually remember J00f playing tiny venues (and I'll say him talking about playing turnmills as some underground value is a rehash of history as he didn't make that grade for a long time in the circuit. That was one of the biggest clubs in the south and the main floor (trance on Saturdays, hard house on Sundays) was 1000+ people, with people like Oakenfold and Tall Paul regularly headlining).

Some were basically glorified squats in dingy parts of north or west london. Great times, but honestly j00f struggled to get out of that lower circuit; there was nothing really apart from a novelty name (they always spelled out john "00" Fleming in those days) and there were several other guys killing it production and DJ wise, especially when the dutch sound exploded in to the trance scene.

I honestly think a lot of John's eventual success was just plain perseverance where a lot of guys just quit as the scene died or evolved and he just kept playing "that" trance in smaller venues. I remember guys that were actually doing better than him on the circuit just eventually packing it in as they were never going to make it all the way as things consolidated with the death of superclubs in 00's and the rise of ASOT etc. He was kind of the last man standing in a way and his recent stature was really a result of hanging in there while endlessly promising a return to a glory of former years.

I will say if anyone has the right to profess that, it's him - some of those venues were literally 80 people in a dark room with a strobe or disused railway arches, and he kept plugging away.

I'm not sure if the Armin link now serves two purposes; it gives J00f a bigger platform to finally cash in (he must be tired of it all by now) and it somewhat gives Armin some credibility from a DJ that's actually playing something that resembles the music that Armin came up on but long abandoned in the pursuit of money.

Those defending Armin on a creative basis (i.e. clown that makes kids laugh) need to wake up; You just likened him to a clown. The guy's a lawyer, in charge of a massive entertainment corporation> sure he might get a kick out of a massive crowd, but there's no way a guy that made the tracks he did, DJ'd and lived through a scene that we had in the 90's actually thinks anything coming out of his ASOT speakers now isn't complete tripe.

It's valuable tripe in terms of income. But It's tripe.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I actually remember J00f playing tiny venues (and I'll say him talking about playing turnmills as some underground value is a rehash of history as he didn't make that grade for a long time in the circuit. That was one of the biggest clubs in the south and the main floor (trance on Saturdays, hard house on Sundays) was 1000+ people, with people like Oakenfold and Tall Paul regularly headlining). Some were basically glorified squats in dingy parts of north or west london. Great times, but honestly j00f struggled to get out of that lower circuit; there was nothing really apart from a novelty name (they always spelled out john "00" Fleming in those days) and there were several other guys killing it production and DJ wise, especially when the dutch sound exploded in to the trance scene. I honestly think a lot of John's eventual success was just plain perseverance where a lot of guys just quit as the scene died or evolved and he just kept playing "that" trance in smaller venues. I remember guys that were actually doing better than him on the circuit just eventually packing it in as they were never going to make it all the way as things consolidated with the death of superclubs in 00's and the rise of ASOT etc. He was kind of the last man standing in a way and his recent stature was really a result of hanging in there while endlessly promising a return to a glory of former years. I will say if anyone has the right to profess that, it's him - some of those venues were literally 80 people in a dark room with a strobe or disused railway arches, and he kept plugging away. I'm not sure if the Armin link now serves two purposes; it gives J00f a bigger platform to finally cash in (he must be tired of it all by now) and it somewhat gives Armin some credibility from a DJ that's actually playing something that resembles the music that Armin came up on but long abandoned in the pursuit of money. Those defending Armin on a creative basis (i.e. clown that makes kids laugh) need to wake up; You just likened him to a clown. The guy's a lawyer, in charge of a massive entertainment corporation> sure he might get a kick out of a massive crowd, but there's no way a guy that made the tracks he did, DJ'd and lived through a scene that we had in the 90's actually thinks anything coming out of his ASOT speakers now isn't complete tripe. It's valuable tripe in terms of income. But It's tripe.

I was referring to both and infact most producers wear out. I already know that Armin is a lost cause but it seems that Joof had different ideas. Your post proves my point that the scene is absolute shit. Most Trance fans don't give a shit attending these events anymore because it's not what it used to be.

Previously people gave a shit about the Trance scene, you know when it actually Trance. Now is whoever can take a selfie, or draw love hearts and be part of the "trance' family.

But then again, talking isn't going to solve anything. I don't think anything will until we see this stuff come crumbling down, so my rants won't really do much.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I actually remember J00f playing tiny venues (and I'll say him talking about playing turnmills as some underground value is a rehash of history as he didn't make that grade for a long time in the circuit. That was one of the biggest clubs in the south and the main floor (trance on Saturdays, hard house on Sundays) was 1000+ people, with people like Oakenfold and Tall Paul regularly headlining). Some were basically glorified squats in dingy parts of north or west london. Great times, but honestly j00f struggled to get out of that lower circuit; there was nothing really apart from a novelty name (they always spelled out john "00" Fleming in those days) and there were several other guys killing it production and DJ wise, especially when the dutch sound exploded in to the trance scene. I honestly think a lot of John's eventual success was just plain perseverance where a lot of guys just quit as the scene died or evolved and he just kept playing "that" trance in smaller venues. I remember guys that were actually doing better than him on the circuit just eventually packing it in as they were never going to make it all the way as things consolidated with the death of superclubs in 00's and the rise of ASOT etc. He was kind of the last man standing in a way and his recent stature was really a result of hanging in there while endlessly promising a return to a glory of former years. I will say if anyone has the right to profess that, it's him - some of those venues were literally 80 people in a dark room with a strobe or disused railway arches, and he kept plugging away. I'm not sure if the Armin link now serves two purposes; it gives J00f a bigger platform to finally cash in (he must be tired of it all by now) and it somewhat gives Armin some credibility from a DJ that's actually playing something that resembles the music that Armin came up on but long abandoned in the pursuit of money. Those defending Armin on a creative basis (i.e. clown that makes kids laugh) need to wake up; You just likened him to a clown. The guy's a lawyer, in charge of a massive entertainment corporation> sure he might get a kick out of a massive crowd, but there's no way a guy that made the tracks he did, DJ'd and lived through a scene that we had in the 90's actually thinks anything coming out of his ASOT speakers now isn't complete tripe. It's valuable tripe in terms of income. But It's tripe.

Apologies DJ Rann (I like how auto correct turns this to DJ Rant) , we must be very close friends that speak every week as you are talking on my behalf, but I don’t recall ever speaking to you once?

Let me refresh your memory of when I was resident at the legendary Zap club in Brighton for 8 years (1500 capacity) with Techno legends Dave Clarke and Eric Powell. At the same time resident at Sterns in Sussex (3000 capacity) and The Manor in Bournemouth (2500 capacity). In fact I held a handful of residencies at the same time, Bagley’s films studios every Friday in London (4000 capacity), Sunny side up at SW1 London (1800 Capacity), World dance club Angel London (1000), Colosseum London (2500), when signed to React records was resident weekly at their Wildlife nights each week at the legendary Heaven London (2500), then every other weekend at Trade Turnmills, London (1800 Capacity), Return to the source, Peach, Camden Palace and the list is endless.

I don’t ever recall playing at dingy squat parties in London, because I didn’t have time. That was probably due to my career expanding when the legendary Golden club made me resident in the Midlands, the same promoter ran Cream in Liverpool, so I was there once a month. Same story at Gatecrasher. Oh lets not forget my long residency at Gods Kitchen, I also compiled and mixed all their mix compilations, but never put my name to them.
International was same story, resident for Spundae at 1015 San Francisco and LA (club now called Avalon), and every month at Government Toronto (9,000 capacity). The list goes on.
That was probably something to do with me selling over 10 million mix compilations?

Yes I made this tone sarcastic, only to highlight that most of you here are second guessing whats going on and creating the now famous term fake news. Instead of contributing and rebuilding the Trance scene, you are contributing to the demise of the genre by being keyboard warriors and policing this forum and pointing the finger of blame. I personally know a handful of legendary producers that have given up due to forums like this because they couldn’t handle all the fake stuff going on. So there’s your contribution to the scene right there. Somehow I’ve learned to hardened up to it.

Armin isn’t responsible for fixing the scene, we all are. But it can’t be done by armchair forum police puling people down. I’ve been so close to leaving Trance many times because of this, it's a horrible eviroment especially here and why no DJs come here anymore and its slowly becoming a ghost town.

Trance is currently very healthy and growing in size, theres a massive underground scene thriving you just need to find it, I’ve been investing a lot of time meetings with Beatport, DJ mag, festival promoters, producers and they all identify this too and are looking to support it.

If you spent time researching, instead of being lost in your own bubble here, you’ll all find it and contribute and enjoying. But your negativity’s has created this lonely ghost town, a quick read through topics only highlights none of you see what we are seeing, hence why you are disconnected with reality…just like DJ Rann was with my history.


Finally for the record. I’ve been very good friends with Armin for well over 20 years. Its not suddenly a new thing. Same story with many other DJs from various genres.

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That's some quality dick-stroking right here.

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i have NFI what goes on in "the scene", but us being cunts to everyone and each other has very little to do with TA's decline. the real culprit is the surge in other social media platforms.

while some famous names definitely had a sook before quitting TA (dresden, lol) the simple fact is TA has not been an efficient platform to promote oneself for a really long time. and that's what most "names" were interested in back in the day.

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Originally posted by Woony That's some quality dick-stroking right here.

As pointed out full sarcasm mode, to point out what a load of fantasy drivel was spoke about me and my career.
The same slanderous stuff said about others too.