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EddieZilker
This is the dance.
Registered: Jan 2009
Location: Marijuana Sex Camp
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quote: | Originally posted by Meat187
Funny thing is that the same hippies that demand these type of rules for everything are also always pissed about how the government is banning their beloved pot. |
I'll punch your face! (Yes, you're right but you hit a little close to home and I'm sorry I lashed out like that.)
I'm actually pointing to high-turnover related to psychological trauma and not the psychological trauma, itself.
Personally, I don't like anti-smoking legislation much. The way it's enacted, in the United States, seems to be targeting the wrong group of people. It proposes that business owners eliminate smoking sections, altogether, instead of allowing business owners to make that decision for themselves.
That, to my mind, is an example of government interference and one that is using negligible evidence to support its validity.
But then according to Wikipedia, I am a consequentialist, for the most part.
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Dec-04-2011 18:54
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Meat187
Diese scheiß Katze
Registered: Dec 2007
Location: The Night's Plutonian Shore
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quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
Why? If seat belt laws effectively decrease the need for emergency care of people thrown through windshields and stuff, the relationship looks pretty straightforward.
For me it is less about whether the government has "derived a right" than about what is the most rational way of proceeding: to mandate that the government shoulder costs and then deny to it an effective and relatively non-intrusive means of minimizing those costs, or to allow it those means. I am not fond of looking at rights in an absolutist way: for me there are less important and more important rights, and the right not to put on a seat belt in a car does not strike me as a crucial one, when weighed against the potential negatives. |
No, because it comes down to who pays for that care and that's a healthcare discussion. As I said, I don't care about people injuring themselves because they're stupid. Being the asshole I am I'd even let them die. When the relationship looks so straightforward then it will also mean every potentially dangerous activity can and should be forbidden. You got any idea how dangerous it is to change a light bulb? Use a ladder? Or what about the emos like Hal, who cut themselves. Put them in prison right now! Wait, I'm starting to like this idea...
Of course it's a rather unimportant right. That's why it's just an example of what I consider a wrong principle and not something I'm protesting against every day.
quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
That, to my mind, is an example of government interference and one that is using negligible evidence to support its validity.
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Yeah, and I guess everything would indeed be fine if only we could expect our governments to always make the best choice. Sure, I'd have no problem giving them the right to regulate everything when I know they'll make good decisions. Personally, I believe exactly the opposite. Will the naive idealists please raise their hand?
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Dec-04-2011 19:05
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EddieZilker
This is the dance.
Registered: Jan 2009
Location: Marijuana Sex Camp
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quote: | Originally posted by Meat187
Yeah, and I guess everything would indeed be fine if only we could expect our governments to always make the best choice. Sure, I'd have no problem giving them the right to regulate everything when I know they'll make good decisions. Personally, I believe exactly the opposite. Will the naive idealists please raise their hand? |
I prefer to think of myself as the articulate, naive idealist with perfectionistic demands.
I had a friend who worked in the Public Relations Department for a small-town city manager's office. They wanted to install rail-rode crossing arms for one of the crossings near the main boulevard. They raised the proposal at a city-council meeting and it got clobbered with protest. A few years later, one of the people who killed it, had their daughter driving to school.
She crossed it and stalled, right on the tracks. The train hit the car but was already stopping before the impact. No one was hurt but that didn't stop the phone calls to the city manager's office, who heard nothing less than an earful from many of the same angry residence who had previously kiboshed his crossing arm proposal, for not having crossing arms installed, in the first place.
Invoking many of the same sorts of arguments you're making - basically, because it costs too much, and if someone gets hurt, oh well - they killed the deal that an emergency city-council meeting was called for, afterwards, to demand explanations as to why crossing arms weren't there, in the first place.
It would seem that hippies aren't the only people who believe in a perfect world.
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Dec-04-2011 19:27
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