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Innocence Lost
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This wip's structure is pretty much the same from the other ones, just regular modern progressive. I just made this one for kick placement will get to epic 90's like structure after.

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Trancelover03591
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Registered: Feb 2011
Location: Southern California

quote:
Originally posted by TranceLover007
Just a little melodic idea which hunting me for awhile - I guess I'm still not set on this bass line which I believe could be more driving but sounds good (at least for me) so far - lets see if you agree?

Darek






It sounds good to me overall production wise, but kind of generic in my opinion. I really like a lot of your works but this one doesn't stand out to me that much.


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Trancelover03591
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quote:
Originally posted by Oakenshield
i would say its chillout genre i would play this at the start or end of a night prolly end



i like the sounds but the break is to long imo and it doesnt climax imo



i try and keep of this thread as it distracts me but meh here is one im trying to work on ;D


Overall I think this is pretty good. The kind of arp lead up front gets a little repetitive in my opinion, but the mixing and sound design seem great to me.


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Trancelover03591
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I wrote/produced this track and also am on vocals. I don't really know the genre. Maybe dreampop/progressive house or something. Feedback on anything-the songwriting, production, vocals-is appreciated:


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Seandroid
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quote:
Originally posted by Trancelover03591
I wrote/produced this track and also am on vocals. I don't really know the genre. Maybe dreampop/progressive house or something. Feedback on anything-the songwriting, production, vocals-is appreciated:



The vocals are really rough. I'd recommend investing in something like melodyne if you want to use your own vocals. More than anything, you need to practice. The tone isn't very good and you drift in & out of pitch a lot. Often, it sounds like you know the note you're trying to hit, but don't initially hit it, and need to drift to it.

The reverb/delay effect on the vocals too is really distracting and doesn't add anything. The effects in the hook in particular I think just don't suit the song whatsoever. You'd probably get better results if you didn't distort it like that and instead performed it multiple times and layered it. That way you can do imaging in the chorus. Some harmonic content would benefit it too.

If you struggle with pitch you might find it easier to get a pleasing performance by recording the exact same performance many times and layering them with chorus, panning, etc.

I think the lyrics are extremely cheesy but that's kind of canon for this kind of thing. The repeated "this" in the chorus.. idk.

The track itself is totally fine though and would work well if the vocals were greatly improved.


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Trancelover03591
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Registered: Feb 2011
Location: Southern California

quote:
Originally posted by Seandroid
The vocals are really rough. I'd recommend investing in something like melodyne if you want to use your own vocals. More than anything, you need to practice. The tone isn't very good and you drift in & out of pitch a lot. Often, it sounds like you know the note you're trying to hit, but don't initially hit it, and need to drift to it.

The reverb/delay effect on the vocals too is really distracting and doesn't add anything. The effects in the hook in particular I think just don't suit the song whatsoever. You'd probably get better results if you didn't distort it like that and instead performed it multiple times and layered it. That way you can do imaging in the chorus. Some harmonic content would benefit it too.

If you struggle with pitch you might find it easier to get a pleasing performance by recording the exact same performance many times and layering them with chorus, panning, etc.

I think the lyrics are extremely cheesy but that's kind of canon for this kind of thing. The repeated "this" in the chorus.. idk.

The track itself is totally fine though and would work well if the vocals were greatly improved.


Thanks for the detailed feedback. I don't have much experience doing vocals at all, and like you say I think I have a lot of practicing to do. I'll probably save this one and either get an experienced/talented vocalist or do them myself if I have better technique later.

Until you pointed it out I didn't realize I ended each phrase of the chorus with "this". I'm going to need to change that.


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Richard Butler
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Caleb, vocals are hard to get right, yours sounds like a classic early attempt.

First off add no effects, just get the raw takes as good as you can. It make take dozens of goes.
I sometimes record each section over and again until ok or just sing out the entire song 10-20 times than comp the best parts together.

I once read Gaga is made to sing a song 50-100 times and her producer then comps the best individual parts.

Next remove all unwanted pops and shit. I often do this with scissors and volume automation.
Also use volume automation and SEVERAL compressors to even out the amplitude.

THEN get into re-pitching using software. Cubase has this built in, don't know if your DAW does?

Then start layering and harmonising (for real or with software)

Then start adding chorus, eq etc etc - build and build slowly

Lastly add in delay and verb but boy these need care.


I'm not a singer so often make the use of short passages only.

PS - another tip > avoid words that don't record so well such as 'thithssss'!!
You will know instinctively when a word is awkward and out of place


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updated it played with the arrangement a bit but not sure about the pad

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Trancelover03591
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quote:
Originally posted by Seandroid
I like the modulated distorted bass. The track as a whole feels a little... wet? Though? There's so much reverb and delay on everything that it hurts the groove a lot. The delayed lead doodad that comes in around 1 minute is a little cheesy in my opinion.

There's a lot of stuff to like here though, I like the wobbling subby bass a lot too. And the distorted dark stuff in the break. I think at 2:40 it gets a little busy.

Idk though, most of this stuff just depends on what you were actually going for, if you were going for something that sounds totally spaced out, or something groovy.



This is what I've got going on right now.


Cool. Seems like something Diplo might play.


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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Butler
Caleb, vocals are hard to get right, yours sounds like a classic early attempt.

First off add no effects, just get the raw takes as good as you can. It make take dozens of goes.
I sometimes record each section over and again until ok or just sing out the entire song 10-20 times than comp the best parts together.

I once read Gaga is made to sing a song 50-100 times and her producer then comps the best individual parts.

Next remove all unwanted pops and shit. I often do this with scissors and volume automation.
Also use volume automation and SEVERAL compressors to even out the amplitude.

THEN get into re-pitching using software. Cubase has this built in, don't know if your DAW does?

Then start layering and harmonising (for real or with software)

Then start adding chorus, eq etc etc - build and build slowly

Lastly add in delay and verb but boy these need care.


I'm not a singer so often make the use of short passages only.

PS - another tip > avoid words that don't record so well such as 'thithssss'!!
You will know instinctively when a word is awkward and out of place


Thanks for the tips! Your techno track is rocking!


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Richard Butler
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quote:
Originally posted by Oakenshield



updated it played with the arrangement a bit but not sure about the pad


loads of clever work, this really drives!

Note sure about the wailing sine type wave near the middle.


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