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Raphie
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Registered: Jun 2008
Location: Lelystad, Netherlands

UPS sound dull basswise, it sucks the life right out of music
I'be had a Powerplant http://www.psaudio.com/products/pow...ower-on-demand/ but my system sounds better without.

for lightning we have Insurance and spikes and brownouts like the flakey 110v issues in the US are unheard of in the Netherlands
we have clean stable 220v grounded power available in 16amp groups
i've put my studio on a seperate group, but sharing the systems ground, which is fine as my noisefloor is extremly low
and i have no inteference from fridges, airco's etc on other groups


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Looney4Clooney
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That is ridiculious.

The reason a quality ups makes things better and cheaper is thAt they sell lots and have more money for r n d and proper assembly. This stuff you metion is hifi snake oil.

you can buy a metal pipe for 10$. Same metal pipe sold by Gibraltar for drums wil cost 100. Computers are by far the most sensitive to power surges brownouts. and that is why a good ups is cheaper and more reliable than pretty much all that boutique stuff.

And eu uses 220. and NA Is 120. It makes no difference. The stability is what counts. You aren't doubling anything.

Sad, I mean you really know nothing about power. 16 a means nothing. I run 3 20 a circuits which would be just as good a a 5 a circuit if that is all you draw.


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Raphie
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Registered: Jun 2008
Location: Lelystad, Netherlands

L4C, you are drawing conclusions on my behalf now? never said anything about double being better etc etc?

quote:
Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
That is ridiculious.

The reason a quality ups makes things better and cheaper is thAt they sell lots and have more money for r n d and proper assembly. This stuff you metion is hifi snake oil.

you can buy a metal pipe for 10$. Same metal pipe sold by Gibraltar for drums wil cost 100. Computers are by far the most sensitive to power surges brownouts. and that is why a good ups is cheaper and more reliable than pretty much all that boutique stuff.

And eu uses 220. and NA Is 120. It makes no difference. The stability is what counts. You aren't doubling anything.

Sad, I mean you really know nothing about power. 16 a means nothing. I run 3 20 a circuits which would be just as good a a 5 a circuit if that is all you draw.


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Looney4Clooney
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the 110v which is actually about 117v is no worse than 220v. The USA and NA has a beter electrical infrastructure overall.

have you actually measured your power with the proper tools.

And come on , UPS and bass response. sigh


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Got to hand it to Raphie here. Power outage or surges are rarer than spotting a wild koala bear here in NL. The thing on UPS+sound quality seems farfetched imo, but who am I to judge what he perceives.

Just be sure that insurance is good Raphie, pro-audio gear is often not covered by regular insurance for fire/lightning/water damages etc


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echosystm
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Registered: Jul 2004
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quote:
Originally posted by Raphie
UPS sound dull basswise, it sucks the life right out of music


Wat.

quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN
But most UPS don't have any of the advanced power conditioning that Furman Conditioners have.


I think a UPS is OK if you want some peace of mind that peaks are getting smoothed out or have some power issues in your house. However, with this Furman stuff, we're talking about hardcore diminishing returns. Power quality in first world countries is insane. If the power supply that came with your electronics can't handle the tolerances of your electricity supply, then it is a shitty power supply, you have issues in your house or you accidentally live in Cambodia.

I'd love to know what "advanced power conditioning" means. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a capacitor. A UPS is just an even bigger capacitor. It would not surprise me at all if your average UPS actually uses better quality components, due to economies of scale. APC could buy 1,000 solid caps for the price that Furman buys 10 electrolytic caps. I think L4C is on the money.


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Raphie
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Registered: Jun 2008
Location: Lelystad, Netherlands

quote:
Originally posted by echosystm
Wat.



I think a UPS is OK if you want some peace of mind that peaks are getting smoothed out or have some power issues in your house. However, with this Furman stuff, we're talking about hardcore diminishing returns. Power quality in first world countries is insane. If the power supply that came with your electronics can't handle the tolerances of your electricity supply, then it is a shitty power supply, you have issues in your house or you accidentally live in Cambodia.
There you go, my perspective exactly


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Looney4Clooney
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bad power is the main reason computers and electronics fail. A little surge is all it takes to blow a capacitor. computers are even more vulnerable.

rare ? sure
are hardrive crashes rare ?
i had 3 drives fail out of 100

was the loss worth not spending 500 - 1000 on a UPS. you have the money. It is a no brainer

And surge protectors are a joke.


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Raphie
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Registered: Jun 2008
Location: Lelystad, Netherlands

but then again i bought the furmans just for cable management and easy on/off not for surge protection or filtering.

data should be secured by backups I don't understand how you even are willing to play with 20 external harddrives.

get pro like i did: buy a 10 bay nas run a mirrored raid5 or higher and sync it daily with a cloud storage service.

got 20TB mirrored in to raid 5 sets and those get synced daily with my cloud storage.

stop fucking around with extenral hardrives, it's amateur and lame.


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Looney4Clooney
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i update as required.

and your method would be called amateur.

there are 2 different ways you want to back up. Incremental and then hot-swappable. That is why i have the drives. If anything happens at any time, i am up in running in 5 minutes. But if all you do is copy bad data, then there is no point really.

and i use raid 5.


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DJ RANN
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Registered: May 2001
Location: Hollywood....

quote:
Originally posted by Raphie, L4C & EchoSystem


What the fuck are you lot talking about?

1, UPS usually serve one function: Allow a battery backup should the power drop below a certain threshold. Some, like the one that is 2 foot from me now, also have rudimentary surge protection and act as a various amp multiplug outlet, but other than that that's all the do.

So I don't know why you think that there's any "power conditioning" as such.

Want proof? The top of the line UPS unit from APC (biggest company) only specs out at 5% THD. That's the same threshold for a normal household socket. The threshold for "distortion" in audio is 3% THD and every power conditioner out there aims to be far lower than that.

Also, the voltage steps on most UPS are +/-10v, Cheap Power conditioners =/-5v and expensive ones or regenerators are +/-1v.

2, In line capacitance is not power conditioning. It just stops unwanted oscillation of voltage. Nothing more.

3, Products like powerplant do not make audio dull (unless all this time you've been perceiving the noise and coloration caused by dirty power, emi, rfi, etc as pleasing to your ears). The studio I work for just invested $40,000 in a massive industrial version of that to power the whole building. It's not smoke and mirrors - it completely decouples you from all the dirty power and equipment feedback from other other users. They basically take a massive 400v feed, change it to DC then generate a pure and pristine AC feed again.

4, Cheap power conditioners are not worth the $30 of components in the $200 box. They are nothing more than glorified multiplugs with the convenience of rack mounting.

5, Balanced power regulators, Hz rectifiers, Isolation transformers and Voltage regulators are worth every penny - and by this I mean the expensive ones.

The PS audio unit that Raphie had, does <0.8% THD, and it one of the best units out there for clean power and isolation.

however the ideal setup would be

PS Audio generator ---> Power Balancer. That way, you get the lowest possible THD, no EMI, RFI, No DC, and then have fully balanced power so no noise and a much higher noise floor.

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Juan Paulino
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So wuts the best power conditioner you can get?


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