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evo8
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Originally posted by Richard Butler
Big bassey kicks.......?????

How big, how bassey?

Quite a common feedback comment is that a kick is not big / deep / bassey enough.


People like Joris Voorn say many tracks sound bad in the club as the kick is over-powering.

I often try and keep my kicks quite tame with this in mind but when I post up a WIP here I get the feedback the kick needs to have more low end, and be generally 'bigger'.

So the question is this; When u guys say make the kick bigger with more bottom end, are u mindful this could swamp the track in a club?

I notice in the car many tracks have too much kick and it sort of renders the bassline a bit undefined and hard to pick out.


I would agree with Joris Voorn, a lot of club stuff these days is just a wall of sub
I love when the older tracks are played as the kicks sound great, not too subby but plenty of thump, what i try to do is start with a good sounding sample, roll off the low end and boost around 80hz instead


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Woony
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It's fine to scoop out a bit sub 40hz but a lot of amateur producers (and most professional trance producers LOL) just go waaaay to far until they have a kick with no lowend. Your 'Can U Feel' track is definitely cut too high. The only time I would cut that high is with a really big, meaty, subby distorted bass but yours doesn't even sit that low and is pretty polite. Generally, it's fine to have either the kick or the bass bang in the subs, just not both. And it's fine to have some spillover, a lot of people totally seperate their kick and bass and it just sounds lame and clinical. A lot of older tracks have pretty messy kick/bass mixing and they still sound great in the club.

Keep in mind that any competent mastering engineer is going to cut sub 30 hz pretty heavily anyways. I think the real problem is that a lot of people just make kicks with ridiculously long decay times and a shit ton of reverb and then it'll obviously end up as a mess. Someone who's a mastering engineer listened to the track I posted above and said the kick is fine and it's subby as hell.

A nice solution to roll off the subs that has plenty of character and doesn't sound clinical is U-he Satin (tape emulation). It does wonders do lowend if you set it up right, it naturally rolls off sub 30hz and really makes that ~50hz range bang. It also adds nice harmonic distortion and overtones to bass and pulls everything together with a nice gentle tape compression across the mix.


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Vector A
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New one from me. Dunno why exactly but it gives me a bit of that lovely shitty dutch epic trance feeling

Nice! I don't know about Dutch trance, but the bass sounds right out of a Markus Schulz set circa 2005. I like it.

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Woony
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Yeah, I'm a big fan of those reese basslines. They were also somewhat popular among early 2000s techno producers.


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New one from me. Dunno why exactly but it gives me a bit of that lovely shitty dutch epic trance feeling


I like it. Need some variety or change in sound in some point imo or different arrangement. Sound is nice, bass is awesome. Pads are nice too.


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Hows this? Didn't sleep over so i might delete this tomorrow morning Bassline sounds weird.


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evo8
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Hows this? Didn't sleep over so i might delete this tomorrow morning Bassline sounds weird.



bassline sounds really cool - some of the stabs are a bit on the loud/harsh side, definitely potential there

@woony, nice track there


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Richard Butler
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Hows this? Didn't sleep over so i might delete this tomorrow morning Bassline sounds weird.



Mice n moody, like the bass

Just tame those stabs some


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DnB nearly done I think

https://soundcloud.com/butlerrichard/every-time


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DnB nearly done I think

https://soundcloud.com/butlerrichard/every-time


i really like it - the drop could be better, wanted the track to really take off at that point, second one is better, if you had a little vocal to round off the phrase that would be perfect (if that makes sense)

i think you have all the bits there, just a matter of arrangement

also the sub is quite heavy, you could probably lose a bit of that, its just eating up headroom


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Richard Butler
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Useful Evo thx

I cannot embed SC just now ,no idea why not

Here's one of those tech wips I promised to finish, nearly there.

Just need something in the breaks??

https://soundcloud.com/butlerrichard/make-me


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Thats nice Rich, very nice bass and drums. Melody after break sounds a little off to me.


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