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theterran
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quote:
Originally posted by gordan100
Nice, MSZ and theterran.

Is this working - slow pad and bassline ?



I personally refrain from commenting on SC mixes in general due to a few things...so, sorry, I'm no help there...

Musically on the other hand...

My advice would be more broad, based on the previous songs you've posted in the last few pages.

In general, to me, I think they need more structure, and someone else had posted a comment along these lines a few pages ago as well.

Beginning, middle, end. Like a good story. You seem to be trying to tell a story about downtown night-life, and then you suddenly start talking about Mt. Everest. It's jarring, and hard to follow / get into.

You can take MSZ's The Sound of Cats Dying track for, er... example. (sorry that track has an odd name) It has basic house structure...Intro / mix-in section is about the first minute, then the bass. His synths get filtered in and out, presented in a very smooth fashion, and progresses to the main idea.

The way you introduce / present your synths and beat is very start-stop / on-off, and random. There's a lack of that smoothness.

However, I liked the degraded / bit-crushed pad at 2:00, but the transition into / out of it was rough and didn't last very long.

You also sound like you have alot of ideas you're trying to get out all at once in one song. Try to work towards one idea or theme with good transitions towards that idea. A song usually gives the listener cues that things are changing. They can be subtle, or abrupt, but a cue must be there. Faders, Filters, simplified or fragmented loops...just a few tools to help with transitions.

I don't like saying this, because doing this can also hinder one's own creativity, but...Find some music similar to your own, that's both on the professional level, and popular, and listen to how they organize their song. This might help in that respect.

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Richard Butler
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quote:
Originally posted by theterran
Hey, thanks for the listen!

So, the entire kit? Kick? Hats? Add analog percussion?

Kick...probably, it's a boring kick I think.

Pretty firm on keeping the hats...Was a pain finding a metallic / wet timbre I liked...and smoothing them out was also...a pain. They're much sexier above 128 bitrate.

Any suggestions on particular drum samples to peruse?


The kick sounds a bit 2008 trance.
It's a bit whoopy. I suspect something from Wave Alchemy could be better IMO

The drum 'loop' is a bit loopy for me, but maybe others see no issue with it?


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Richard Butler
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I still cant post SC embeds for some reason.

Here is my biggest sounding track to date IMO.
Tech House, not me on vocals, thank Gawd

https://soundcloud.com/butlerrichard/make-me-sad


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theterran
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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Butler
The kick sounds a bit 2008 trance.
It's a bit whoopy. I suspect something from Wave Alchemy could be better IMO

The drum 'loop' is a bit loopy for me, but maybe others see no issue with it?


Seems like a lot of the older trance had loopier beats in general, so that's what I was going for. A more consistent beat also makes sense to me, that repetition helps you achieve that trancelike state. I find when under the influence, I actually prefer less variation, and more repetition.

But, my guess is that it's not the loopyness of the drums, but the lack of supporting ambient FX. Background sounds coming in and out to accentuate the beat should clear that up. Just haven't gotten that far.

I'll check out Wave Alchemy, thanks.

-Edit- Having browsed through alot of their online promo stuff, most of the kicks seem geared towards house and techno, didn't hear anything that fit the bill for what I'd be looking for. Most of the kicks are alot rounder and thumpier, with less mid to low-mid articulation.

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theterran
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Registered: Mar 2010
Location: Texass
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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Butler
I still cant post SC embeds for some reason.

Here is my biggest sounding track to date IMO.
Tech House, not me on vocals, thank Gawd

https://soundcloud.com/butlerrichard/make-me-sad


Pretty dope, I'd definitely get down to that in the club.

Sounds like something you'd hear mid-set.

Was 2:05 intentional, where the sample is on top of itself and you hear "bah-by"? Seems maybe a little inconsistent with that build-up. Using it to break up the repetition of the repeated vocal sample?

Transition from Ending to outtro seems a bit abrupt to me...

Other than that, no real criticism, sounded good

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Yea thats really clean Richard, nice job.

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theterran
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Still mainly arranging. Roughed out the rest of the breakdown / re-intro / build / theme 2.0 -> End. Build will need work, saving transitions for later.

2nd theme section seems maybe a little short...Might either extend with more melody or repeat the first melody again without the piano with the full layered backing. Will work on seating the piano in a little bit better, probably play with volume / reverb until it sits in nicely with good sound-space.

Did a little bit of work on the kick. Using 2 spliced kicks now, tried to keep the fluffier upper mids, and compliment with a thicker thuddier base layer...

Bass seems ok with a bit of tweaking in the 50hz range where the A# note resides. I poured through over 100 basses, and 50 or so some odd bass presets, and I can't find anything I like as much. Will have to do for now, short of making my own, which I might just end up doing.

Did a little bit of work on the clap as well, brought the eq. up in the 2Khz region a bit and opened up the middle-end with a touch more verb. Brought it's gain up in the mix about 3-4 db.

Seems like it's pretty much there, just need to do the intro, work on builds / transitioning and work on the nuance-y fine details.

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chris marsh
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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Butler
I still cant post SC embeds for some reason.

Here is my biggest sounding track to date IMO.
Tech House, not me on vocals, thank Gawd

https://soundcloud.com/butlerrichard/make-me-sad


Really good man. Nailed it imo. Might add something constructive (if i can think if anything) later when at home


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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Butler
I still cant post SC embeds for some reason.

Here is my biggest sounding track to date IMO.
Tech House, not me on vocals, thank Gawd

https://soundcloud.com/butlerrichard/make-me-sad


progresses into something quite groovy, nice!


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Still mainly arranging. Roughed out the rest of the breakdown / re-intro / build / theme 2.0 -> End. Build will need work, saving transitions for later.

2nd theme section seems maybe a little short...Might either extend with more melody or repeat the first melody again without the piano with the full layered backing. Will work on seating the piano in a little bit better, probably play with volume / reverb until it sits in nicely with good sound-space.

Did a little bit of work on the kick. Using 2 spliced kicks now, tried to keep the fluffier upper mids, and compliment with a thicker thuddier base layer...

Bass seems ok with a bit of tweaking in the 50hz range where the A# note resides. I poured through over 100 basses, and 50 or so some odd bass presets, and I can't find anything I like as much. Will have to do for now, short of making my own, which I might just end up doing.

Did a little bit of work on the clap as well, brought the eq. up in the 2Khz region a bit and opened up the middle-end with a touch more verb. Brought it's gain up in the mix about 3-4 db.

Seems like it's pretty much there, just need to do the intro, work on builds / transitioning and work on the nuance-y fine details.


the piano is a bit fluffy trance for me which i wouldnt be mad about - i love some of the synths in the background, gives that dark trance feel, also i think this would sound better at a higher bpm

its cool that you are going for an older sound, nothing wrong with that imo, I attempt that myself but its difficult sometimes
was reading what you said about kicks on the previous page, you could maybe try layering your kick with an 808 with a short decay so it doesnt boom


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theterran
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quote:
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the piano is a bit fluffy trance for me which i wouldnt be mad about - i love some of the synths in the background, gives that dark trance feel, also i think this would sound better at a higher bpm


Nah, just happy getting constructive feedback, and stopping by. My friends usually just say "it's good." and leave it at that.

Something definitely needed to be there to compliment the main harmony though. I'm not the biggest fan of vocals...and nothing really fit like that clean trance-piano. That melody pretty much poured out...(like crown-royale on a bad day)

quote:
its cool that you are going for an older sound, nothing wrong with that imo, I attempt that myself but its difficult sometimes
was reading what you said about kicks on the previous page, you could maybe try layering your kick with an 808 with a short decay so it doesnt boom


It's an odd concept going with an older sound, I guess...It's like...I spend alot of time listening to newer music, and I get tired of it, so I just want to make more of the older stuff I started out with, if that makes sense? And I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel with the older sounds, just polish 'em up a bit. I guess, another factor is, I'm not really making music in hopes of it being popular or making it big, I just like doing it, It's fun, and challenging...From both a musical, and technical standpoint. So I guess I don't really have to worry about what everyone wants to hear, and just make what I feel like making...

As for the kick, it's just about the way I want it I think. I've tried it on the 10" 500W sub, and it hits nicely. Will still look into the 808's sound though, might be useful for future projects, so thanks for the tip there!

Just need to finish baking this musical cake, and then put some frosting and sprinkles on it. Might post it up one more time once it's done if anyone's interested in hearing the final result.

Appreciate the listen / response, evo.

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Woony
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Registered: Sep 2009
Location: Berlin

quote:
Originally posted by theterran
As for the kick, it's just about the way I want it I think. I've tried it on the 10" 500W sub, and it hits nicely. Will still look into the 808's sound though, might be useful for future projects, so thanks for the tip there!


If you turn it up enough on the right playback system anything can sound bassy. The kick is definitely way too click-y. On my reference headphones I don't start getting bass until the highs become almost painfully loud and sharp. But then again, that's how a lot of professional trance is produced... doesn't mean it's necessarily worth emulating though...

You could also add a subby bassline to play along with the main bassline.


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