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Zak McKracken
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yes thats exactly what we do in the production state. does your instrument lack a little treble? add some eq. thats my point entirely. the creative part does not need fancy gear, only high creativity and great monitoring. the listener on the other hand needs exceptional gear to be able to recreate what the artist had in mind. i know cables are important but not in all chains. you could have bought another synth instead and this tells me you really dont know what youre doing - almost on the level of jaun paulino. unless you, infact only work with post production. then i get it....
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Dec-28-2013 16:34
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Raphie
Mastering Engineer
Registered: Jun 2008
Location: Lelystad, Netherlands
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Ok i'll bite:
My instrument cables are all AVID Digidesign Digisnakes, they are pretty much best price performance in db25 multicore cabling, not the best, but no HOSA either.
I can hear the difference between those and my Vandammes, which I use on my mastering chain, my summing signal path and my patchpanel (setting up tne chain)
IMHO, choosing instruments, or choosing sound transport are 2 different discussion. One is around sound design, the other is about accuracy. I hope you understand the difference?
Now, if you do, you can then argue if one is better of with investing more in signal path, or more sources? I cannot answer that question for you, but for me it was signal path in this stage. I don't really need more sources.
Then there is yet another dimension, which is funds and how much you want to spend on a studio. For my purpose I know have a very versatile and balanced setup. I can work both ITB or OTB or hybrid. a pristine signal path is crucial for my setup.
anyway, i have a bunch of redundant hosa, digisnakes and planet waves now on sale. If I would not be hearing a difference, I would not have replaced those.
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Dec-28-2013 17:58
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DJ RANN
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: May 2001
Location: Hollywood....
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quote: | Originally posted by clay
yes thats exactly what we do in the production state. does your instrument lack a little treble? add some eq. thats my point entirely. the creative part does not need fancy gear, only high creativity and great monitoring. the listener on the other hand needs exceptional gear to be able to recreate what the artist had in mind. i know cables are important but not in all chains. you could have bought another synth instead and this tells me you really dont know what youre doing - almost on the level of jaun paulino. unless you, infact only work with post production. then i get it.... |
I think Raphie explained himself but this doesn't make sense.
Yes, the listener would need a great setup to hear the exact same thing as the producer but we produce to the highest standard we can, just in case.
In chains, you're only as strong as your weakest link and ultimately, that chain has to be monitored, so if you can't hear every little detail or hear more noise than your should, then you can't make accurate decisions on what you're hearing. If anything the more things in a chain, the more critical it becomes as the paths essentially get longer and there's more chance of noise to creep in.
I don't have a fully balanced power setup in my house and the difference having star quad Van Damme cables made was day and night.
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Dec-28-2013 22:02
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DJ RANN
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: May 2001
Location: Hollywood....
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quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
just bought a quarter inch to rca and then xor to quarter inch to rya all hose going to my genelecs from my apogee symphony. All purchased at a discount asian store.
but ya , at the distances Raphie is running , double blind hose , mogami , proco ....
Its all in your head. Sure the vandamme will last longer. And why not if you can afford it but when you are spending say this on cables then making threads about needing volunteers for your website , well that is a fucking retarded purchase. WEBSITE or real expensive cables that will sound the same as hose.
wire is wire is wire. Copper is copper. |
Are you now able to drink or something? copper isn't copper.
There's a million things that affect conduction and, in analogue audio unlike binary data transmission, that conduction affects everything from inherent signal noise to timbre.
Aside from that if you're not joking about the cables you use, you do realise that you're not even running balanced cables which in your case is a real faux pas. Like asking for ice in your single malt, or ordering a Dirty Martini with Gin, instead of Vodka. I do hope you're not one of those types.
I do concede it's a little bit silly to spunk serious coinage on cables then not have enough to make a basic website, but then again, raphie seems to earn pretty well/be pretty flush so it's only a matter of time until he can pony up, and websites are an ongoing investment. Van damme - you only ever buy once.
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Dec-29-2013 01:18
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Looney4Clooney
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Apr 2010
Location:
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quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Are you now able to drink or something? copper isn't copper.
There's a million things that affect conduction and, in analogue audio unlike binary data transmission, that conduction affects everything from inherent signal noise to timbre.
Aside from that if you're not joking about the cables you use, you do realise that you're not even running balanced cables which in your case is a real faux pas. Like asking for ice in your single malt, or ordering a Dirty Martini with Gin, instead of Vodka. I do hope you're not one of those types.
I do concede it's a little bit silly to spunk serious coinage on cables then not have enough to make a basic website, but then again, raphie seems to earn pretty well/be pretty flush so it's only a matter of time until he can pony up, and websites are an ongoing investment. Van damme - you only ever buy once. |
i think you think there is more than just electrons going thru those wires. it is fucking ridiculous to spend that money on something that is pretty much a placebo at those lengths and cannot even be used as a business expense. And yes , copper is pretty much copper in that the only real thing that matters is lcr and the connection and at the lengths we are talking about the only thing relevant is the connection which is either good or not good. Durability aside, the difference is just so small if noticeable that to even worry about it when you probably have a fan creating more noise. It is asinine.
mogami for EDM is overkill for most people. Again , do what you want with your money, but it was was just ironic that his money went to cables that will do nothing rather than the website that i would think matters a little more.
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Dec-30-2013 05:45
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