^^^^^ I agree

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Originally posted by Jayx1 #1 FACT CLub owners know their business more than anyone else and they are all saying it will harm business. The best line in the whole article is this one: If a great business opportunity was available in creating smoke-free venues, every anti-tobacco lobbyist would have started up their own establishment long ago.

that first part is bullshit...and the final line is a flat out logical fallacy.

edited because I can't spell :P

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I've converted my essay to PDF so I can put it up here. I imagine that probably the only people interested in reading it are the ones who aren't already vehemently opposed to the ban - but hey, even if you already support the ban, it has lots of good ammo to fight off the tobacco fanatics who won't stop whining.

http://www.convolved.com/essays/SmokingBans.pdf

Edit: After hunting around I came across some new, more recent sources and decided it needs some major changes, particularly to the section on ventilation and a lot more info on the economic studies. But what's there should suffice for now.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I didn't even know you smoked. When did you start that?

when it became cool! when else ?!

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Originally posted by DigiNut ...Regardless, if 500 smokers stop coming to clubs because they can't smoke, 500 more non-smokers will take their place because they know they won't have to walk home with their eyes watering and their hair and clothes stinking like tar.

Yes, i would go more clubbing after June 1st (less smoking smell! ye~)

Anyways I think this will make other cities' people think people in Toronto is enduring and concerning others.

As long as there's a paito and a skybar ... I'll be smoking there and I'll be joining many of my smokin' friends outside of the club also

It's like home, I don't like smoking indoors, but outdoors is always much better!

Yet another thread on this topic.

Apperently the reason why these bans come into effect is that the non-smokers bitch way more than the smokers. The smokers bitch among themselves but the non-smokers actually do something about it. There was a vote done before this law came into effect in Ottawa and the smokers were outvoted like 80 - 20. That's because they didn't really care about this topic as much as the smokers. You only care when it is actually affecting you like it will on June 1.

The major thing that will happen is a crack down in June on the smokers with fines being given all over the place in Toronto. Not only does the person get fined but so does the club. So be ready to be bothered by the bouncers everywhere, they don't want to have to pay the fine and they probably hate the smoke anyways.

I doubt that this law will do anything. Maybe LESS smokers but won't eliminate them all, especially in CLUBS.

i'll be bringing cigarettes in, but if they get confiscated, i'm not going to try to smoke inside.

they're probably going to be looking at making alot of examples on the first friday night of the new law.

FINES FOR EVERYONE!!

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Originally posted by arek I doubt that this law will do anything. Maybe LESS smokers but won't eliminate them all, especially in CLUBS.

yes it will. there is no smoking in many big cities and it means, no smoking.

you will see clubs arranging in/out for smokers but you are still going to have to wait in line and things like that.

you will never see superclubs allowing in and outs for smoking. My prediction is that this new law will hurt superclubs the most.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL when it became cool! when else ?!

i like how non-smokers always pass judgement on smokers. alot of anti-smokers seem to like to think they're better than smokers, and it's really disgusting.