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evo8
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quote: | Originally posted by theterran
Nah, just happy getting constructive feedback, and stopping by. My friends usually just say "it's good." and leave it at that.
Something definitely needed to be there to compliment the main harmony though. I'm not the biggest fan of vocals...and nothing really fit like that clean trance-piano. That melody pretty much poured out...(like crown-royale on a bad day)
It's an odd concept going with an older sound, I guess...It's like...I spend alot of time listening to newer music, and I get tired of it, so I just want to make more of the older stuff I started out with, if that makes sense? And I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel with the older sounds, just polish 'em up a bit. I guess, another factor is, I'm not really making music in hopes of it being popular or making it big, I just like doing it, It's fun, and challenging...From both a musical, and technical standpoint. So I guess I don't really have to worry about what everyone wants to hear, and just make what I feel like making...
As for the kick, it's just about the way I want it I think. I've tried it on the 10" 500W sub, and it hits nicely. Will still look into the 808's sound though, might be useful for future projects, so thanks for the tip there!
Just need to finish baking this musical cake, and then put some frosting and sprinkles on it. Might post it up one more time once it's done if anyone's interested in hearing the final result.
Appreciate the listen / response, evo. |
welcome mate...agree so much with that middle paragraph, took me a long time to get to that state of mind
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Dec-12-2017 16:39
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theterran
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Location: Texass
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quote: | Originally posted by Woony
If you turn it up enough on the right playback system anything can sound bassy. The kick is definitely way too click-y. On my reference headphones I don't start getting bass until the highs become almost painfully loud and sharp. But then again, that's how a lot of professional trance is produced... doesn't mean it's necessarily worth emulating though...
You could also add a subby bassline to play along with the main bassline. |
Have heard this before...I try to use my hi-fi responsibly as a reference knowing this. I understand this is also the reason most producers are warned against using a sub with their monitoring setup...Where they hear a fairly balanced mix, but the mixdown ends up being weak in the lows on other systems because the sub is overcompensating.
Same reason I wouldn't ever trust my DT880's with bass, even though they're one of the more bassier reference cans out there...The mixes will do the opposite, and come out boomy and bloated.
I believe professionally mixed trance is done that way for the aforementioned reasons. By mixing your low-end a bit light, you can get more mid-range. The big ass system will pump out more than enough bass, where no sacrifice needs to be made to mid-range or dynamics in the mix itself. Not saying I'm doing this for that reason...I simply don't have the gear to accurately monitor in the 20-150hz region.
It really is a crap-shoot with the low-end in my case though, and getting some proper low-end monitoring, so I don't have to play bass / sub-bass lawn darts, is definitely high on my priority list.
I'll have a go at a separate mix and see if I can't get something a little more headphone / earbud friendly, since that's what most people usually use to listen with at their computers or on the go.
Thanks for the feedback though, I appreciate it, and will keep it in mind.
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Dec-12-2017 18:45
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TranceLover007
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Location: Seattle, USA
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quote: | Originally posted by theterran
Still mainly arranging. Roughed out the rest of the breakdown / re-intro / build / theme 2.0 -> End. Build will need work, saving transitions for later.
2nd theme section seems maybe a little short...Might either extend with more melody or repeat the first melody again without the piano with the full layered backing. Will work on seating the piano in a little bit better, probably play with volume / reverb until it sits in nicely with good sound-space.
Did a little bit of work on the kick. Using 2 spliced kicks now, tried to keep the fluffier upper mids, and compliment with a thicker thuddier base layer...
Bass seems ok with a bit of tweaking in the 50hz range where the A# note resides. I poured through over 100 basses, and 50 or so some odd bass presets, and I can't find anything I like as much. Will have to do for now, short of making my own, which I might just end up doing.
Did a little bit of work on the clap as well, brought the eq. up in the 2Khz region a bit and opened up the middle-end with a touch more verb. Brought it's gain up in the mix about 3-4 db.
Seems like it's pretty much there, just need to do the intro, work on builds / transitioning and work on the nuance-y fine details. |
What is your bass setup man and what octave are you have your pad/s on - sounds like your pad and bass are in conflict a bit - you will have to find a way for your low end (bass line) to punch through your production.
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Dec-12-2017 19:21
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Richard Butler
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Registered: Apr 2009
Location: London
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quote: | Originally posted by theterran
Have heard this before...I try to use my hi-fi responsibly as a reference knowing this. I understand this is also the reason most producers are warned against using a sub with their monitoring setup...Where they hear a fairly balanced mix, but the mixdown ends up being weak in the lows on other systems because the sub is overcompensating.
Same reason I wouldn't ever trust my DT880's with bass, even though they're one of the more bassier reference cans out there...The mixes will do the opposite, and come out boomy and bloated.
I believe professionally mixed trance is done that way for the aforementioned reasons. By mixing your low-end a bit light, you can get more mid-range. The big ass system will pump out more than enough bass, where no sacrifice needs to be made to mid-range or dynamics in the mix itself. Not saying I'm doing this for that reason...I simply don't have the gear to accurately monitor in the 20-150hz region.
It really is a crap-shoot with the low-end in my case though, and getting some proper low-end monitoring, so I don't have to play bass / sub-bass lawn darts, is definitely high on my priority list.
I'll have a go at a separate mix and see if I can't get something a little more headphone / earbud friendly, since that's what most people usually use to listen with at their computers or on the go.
Thanks for the feedback though, I appreciate it, and will keep it in mind. |
I really enjoy your track a lot, the dark melodies are excellent.
I'm no expert but the bass sounds pretty good, but the kik for me is too whoopy as I said before so it's tacking a lot space, but that's just a personal thing perhaps.
I read what you said about a static loop getting you more in the zone on the floor, I agree, but just vary the hats a bit here n there I think.
Very nice track tho
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