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SYSTEM-J
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Manchester

quote:
Originally posted by Trance-MB
That's the point, maybe they aren't sane and rational, but your too stubborn to think anything else.


I've actively disagreed with several of the same people in this thread you are arguing against. If you weren't so fucking stupid you'd notice I wasn't even arguing against you, but you're accusing me of stubborn bias instead. Congratulations.


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mehta
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Lots of great tunes posted in this thread. Ridiculous argument about definitions though!

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Chimney
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Trance-MB, keep your head above water and go to trance.nu


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Effective Force - Punishing the Atoms (Paul Van Dyk mix)

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^push - universal nation popped in my mind as Im hearing that joint

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Trance-M
Since 1994 tranceaddict



Registered: Oct 2005
Location: Limburg, Netherlands

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I've actively disagreed with several of the same people in this thread you are arguing against. If you weren't so fucking stupid you'd notice I wasn't even arguing against you, but you're accusing me of stubborn bias instead. Congratulations.


I know you disagreed with several, because I also did and had the same optinion as you.

You mentioned that you could agree that nowadays trance is close to eurodance without rapping.
I thought you meant eurodance were you left away the rapping and leaving the rest including the often used female vocals. In that case I think eurodance wasn't close to nowadays trance all.
The other option, which I now think you meant, would be eurodance tracks without rap in it, which was made towards the end of the 90's like Lasgo, Milk Inc and The Mackenzie. With that I agree, but you didn't mention end of the 90's or something similar.
It's not strange some of those were close to (todays) trance, actually if you listen to their early tracks like Cream and La Vache of Milk Inc it's obvious why.
It would even be valid to doubt whether they should have been called eurodance IMO.

Another discussion, cause I think that what I did instead of arguing, was about technical differences in equipment in the early-mid 90's vs. equipment available since late 90's.
Number of tracks simultaneously in a track became much more. PC stearing of synthezisers brought many changes (not talking about vst). It was mentioned that this was also possible in early 90's. I didn't answer on that one, but think it's a difference what was technically possible and what in reality was used or available to producers. Most producer didn't have the equipment J.M.J. had. Or the money to buy a shitload of synthesizers and stuff.


IMO non of this sounds totally ridiculous. I always hold in mind I could be wrong about things. I'm not stubborn, but persistent until some good arguments are presented. These good arguments often aren't mentioned. Because of this many discussions over here don't really end.


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SYSTEM-J
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quote:
Originally posted by Trance-MB
I know you disagreed with several, because I also did and had the same optinion as you.


So why are you accusing me of stubborn bias? Is it ridiculous double-think on your part, or just plain knee-jerk stupidity? I think you're an idiot because that's how I see you, not because I'm biased against you or towards anyone you argue with.

I'm not indulging you in an actual discussion, because it's like trying to open a fridge door with your dick.


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hahaha, great analogy


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Trance-M
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quote:
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So why are you accusing me of stubborn bias? .


For the reason that you didn't do anything to clear up a possible misinterpretation on your "eurodance without rap is nowadays trance" opinion, probably because you were too busy calling me "stupid, stupid man" and "fucking idiot".


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smallSHEEP
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This to me is great example of real (i.e. generic) trance, somewhere between progressive and uplifting but not really either:



It could be said that you require some more psychedelic elements which would be catered for by something like:


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Mr.Mystery
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quote:
Originally posted by Trance-MB
For the reason that you didn't do anything to clear up a possible misinterpretation on your "eurodance without rap is nowadays trance" opinion, probably because you were too busy calling me "stupid, stupid man" and "fucking idiot".

Well, seeing you were the only one misinterpreting anything...


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Trance-M
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Well, seeing you were the only one misinterpreting anything...


If you had read it better you would know that I also was the only one suggesting a misinterpretation. I think I probably misinterpreted it, but that still doesn't mean I really did or that there was plenty of space for misinterpretation. So maybe your ... are a bit early....


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Old Post Jan-17-2010 15:31  Netherlands
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Mr.Mystery
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quote:
Originally posted by Trance-MB
If you had read it better you would know that I also was the only one suggesting a misinterpretation. I think I probably misinterpreted it, but that still doesn't mean I really did or that there was plenty of space for misinterpretation. So maybe your ... are a bit early....

...right.


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