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GoSpeedGo!
no more Mr. Nice Guy
Registered: May 2006
Location: Eisenstein's laboratory
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quote: | Originally posted by Julz
The movie was just really bland, the characters where not complex at all and we barely got to see who they are. The story was also lacking and was very predictable. |
See, that's better! Now I know why you're wrong.
Yes, the story was predictable (you get to see how it ends right in the beginning for god's sake), but that's because von Trier is interested in what happens prior to the apocalypse, not in following genre tropes of disaster movies where they send Bruce Willis on a suicide mission to save the world. The predictability is completely intentional so you don't have to worry how it ends and can focus on other things. You didn't like the story because of your inappropriate expectations, not because it sucked.
The key to watching (and at least partly getting) Melancholia is not to follow the narrative, but to look for symbolic meanings. The basic interpretation is that it's all about the end of the Western world that is based on materialism (the mansion) and science (the Kiefer Sutherland character who coincidentally owns the place). Characters don't have to be complex, they can be archetypal which is what Trier's been working with for a long time, most visibly in Antichrist. Justine (Justice?) is Melancholia, for example, the destructive force that ruins the opulent wedding (western values) and then acts calmly when the actual apocalypse begins.
It's a bit like when people kept saying that Avatar is shit because it's just Pocahontas with smurfs when in fact it was again consciously archetypal and what actually mattered was how the story was told, not what the story was.
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Jan-09-2012 23:04
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LeopoldStotch
Suapremae tranecadictt
Registered: Jan 2005
Location: Yawbs,Giaks,and Automobiles
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Jan-10-2012 09:03
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GoSpeedGo!
no more Mr. Nice Guy
Registered: May 2006
Location: Eisenstein's laboratory
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quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
Dude, another sucker punch rant?
cbf essay ranting back to you; I agree with Julz- It was boring, and, as I already said, pretentious, in that it tried WAYYY tooo hard to be something it wasn't (interesting, and complex most centrally). It didn't achieve what it wanted to, and though you seem to give anything that TRIES to achieve ANYTHING 5 stars, I definitely don't. |
Again, this says absolutely nothing about the film.
What do you think it "tried to achieve"? Why do you think it failed? How can a movie try hard to be something it isn't?
I stopped the video when the guy asked the question about scientific plausibility which suggests he didn't get the movie at all. The point of Melancholia is precisely that it isn't scientifically plausible; that there are forces beyond the Newtonian-Cartesian paradigm that will destroy us. According to von Trier, the "man of science" (Defoe in Antichrist, Sutherland in Melancholia) is in crisis.
It's useless to talk about any movie in terms of its adherence to scientific principles and physical laws; films follow their own set of rules and are always inherently unrealistic.
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Jan-10-2012 11:16
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