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theterran
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Registered: Mar 2010
Location: Texass
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quote: | Originally posted by MSZ
If I were to nitpick I would layer in another clap with a thicker transient but not over-so; that might help with tying in the hihats as well. |
I understand. Will definitely give this a shot. Will probably start by loosening up the current clap a little, add a touch more verb and bring it up a smidge to see how it reacts. Probably seated it a little too deep into the mix, yeah.
quote: | I mean if you were going for hyperbeast production I suppose one would say articulation in the low end would need some work but you'll only get so far with your chosen floppy paddish bass. |
Nah, I wasn't...hyperbeast production is unrealistic given my current setup. That, and I'm really not obsessed with it as much anymore. Sure, it's fun working towards excellent production, but I don't stress over it, I just want something I can enjoy listening to, that will translate well to different systems...Probably the only people that can consciously hear the difference anyway are producers and mastering engineers...I've tested this theory on my friends...
So I just do what I can with what I've got... Pair of hs50m's, DT880 250 ohm through an Oxygen O2 and some Klipsch RF-82 II's + 10" sub for the hi-fi / sub-bass check. Current room(s) are also fairly pitiful...As Texas basically has tile floors and big windows in every house, in every room...
Floppy bass, lol, yeah that's about right. I agree though...The top end of the bass I still like...but the low-end should probably be gutted and replaced with another more precise / manageable bass layered in.
Usually save low-end cleanup for last because it's a pain transferring back and forth to the hi-fi system with the sub. I've been tempted on several occasions to pick up the Yamaha HS sub or get the 80M's, but I've been cautioned against it.
quote: | I guess other than a/bing the kick with some other tracks more or less the piece sounds balanced for the dated sounds you've chosen; nice mids dood: you can nitpick any track almost. |
I have a few ideas of what kinda kick I'd want. Best way I can describe is visually + adjectives...
If the current kick is (O), I want [O]. Thick, heavy, slightly fluffy. More of a thud, than a thump. I don't have anything in the library that matches this description very well. (My drum sample library is on the small'ish side) Usually I'll just try to get close, or build / layer a kick...But maybe now is a good time to look into expanding the drumkit library for once.
They are dated sounds...but I love them. I stray occasionally and flirt with other sounds, but I always find myself coming back...Will probably be stuck in the 90's for awhile...
Great overall critique though. I appreciate your time in listening / responding. Nitpicking makes good -> great, so it's appreciated. You also confirmed a few of my own suspicions.
Hell, the main reason I liked these forums, was the sometimes brutal, non-sugar coated reviews. I had just dropped by to say hi, but evo said post one...so I did... :S
Last edited by theterran on Dec-10-2017 at 09:26
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Dec-10-2017 01:14
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theterran
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Mar 2010
Location: Texass
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quote: | Originally posted by gordan100
Nice, MSZ and theterran.
Is this working - slow pad and bassline ?
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I personally refrain from commenting on SC mixes in general due to a few things...so, sorry, I'm no help there...
Musically on the other hand...
My advice would be more broad, based on the previous songs you've posted in the last few pages.
In general, to me, I think they need more structure, and someone else had posted a comment along these lines a few pages ago as well.
Beginning, middle, end. Like a good story. You seem to be trying to tell a story about downtown night-life, and then you suddenly start talking about Mt. Everest. It's jarring, and hard to follow / get into.
You can take MSZ's The Sound of Cats Dying track for, er... example. (sorry that track has an odd name) It has basic house structure...Intro / mix-in section is about the first minute, then the bass. His synths get filtered in and out, presented in a very smooth fashion, and progresses to the main idea.
The way you introduce / present your synths and beat is very start-stop / on-off, and random. There's a lack of that smoothness.
However, I liked the degraded / bit-crushed pad at 2:00, but the transition into / out of it was rough and didn't last very long.
You also sound like you have alot of ideas you're trying to get out all at once in one song. Try to work towards one idea or theme with good transitions towards that idea. A song usually gives the listener cues that things are changing. They can be subtle, or abrupt, but a cue must be there. Faders, Filters, simplified or fragmented loops...just a few tools to help with transitions.
I don't like saying this, because doing this can also hinder one's own creativity, but...Find some music similar to your own, that's both on the professional level, and popular, and listen to how they organize their song. This might help in that respect.
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Dec-10-2017 02:17
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Richard Butler
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Apr 2009
Location: London
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Dec-10-2017 17:59
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theterran
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Mar 2010
Location: Texass
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quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
The kick sounds a bit 2008 trance.
It's a bit whoopy. I suspect something from Wave Alchemy could be better IMO
The drum 'loop' is a bit loopy for me, but maybe others see no issue with it? |
Seems like a lot of the older trance had loopier beats in general, so that's what I was going for. A more consistent beat also makes sense to me, that repetition helps you achieve that trancelike state. I find when under the influence, I actually prefer less variation, and more repetition.
But, my guess is that it's not the loopyness of the drums, but the lack of supporting ambient FX. Background sounds coming in and out to accentuate the beat should clear that up. Just haven't gotten that far.
I'll check out Wave Alchemy, thanks.
-Edit- Having browsed through alot of their online promo stuff, most of the kicks seem geared towards house and techno, didn't hear anything that fit the bill for what I'd be looking for. Most of the kicks are alot rounder and thumpier, with less mid to low-mid articulation.
Last edited by theterran on Dec-10-2017 at 20:53
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Dec-10-2017 20:02
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theterran
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Mar 2010
Location: Texass
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Still mainly arranging. Roughed out the rest of the breakdown / re-intro / build / theme 2.0 -> End. Build will need work, saving transitions for later.
2nd theme section seems maybe a little short...Might either extend with more melody or repeat the first melody again without the piano with the full layered backing. Will work on seating the piano in a little bit better, probably play with volume / reverb until it sits in nicely with good sound-space.
Did a little bit of work on the kick. Using 2 spliced kicks now, tried to keep the fluffier upper mids, and compliment with a thicker thuddier base layer...
Bass seems ok with a bit of tweaking in the 50hz range where the A# note resides. I poured through over 100 basses, and 50 or so some odd bass presets, and I can't find anything I like as much. Will have to do for now, short of making my own, which I might just end up doing.
Did a little bit of work on the clap as well, brought the eq. up in the 2Khz region a bit and opened up the middle-end with a touch more verb. Brought it's gain up in the mix about 3-4 db.
Seems like it's pretty much there, just need to do the intro, work on builds / transitioning and work on the nuance-y fine details.
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Dec-12-2017 00:18
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chris marsh
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Feb 2012
Location: london
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Dec-12-2017 00:25
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evo8
Virtual Wannabe
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Dec-12-2017 12:18
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evo8
Virtual Wannabe
Registered: Aug 2004
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quote: | Originally posted by theterran
Still mainly arranging. Roughed out the rest of the breakdown / re-intro / build / theme 2.0 -> End. Build will need work, saving transitions for later.
2nd theme section seems maybe a little short...Might either extend with more melody or repeat the first melody again without the piano with the full layered backing. Will work on seating the piano in a little bit better, probably play with volume / reverb until it sits in nicely with good sound-space.
Did a little bit of work on the kick. Using 2 spliced kicks now, tried to keep the fluffier upper mids, and compliment with a thicker thuddier base layer...
Bass seems ok with a bit of tweaking in the 50hz range where the A# note resides. I poured through over 100 basses, and 50 or so some odd bass presets, and I can't find anything I like as much. Will have to do for now, short of making my own, which I might just end up doing.
Did a little bit of work on the clap as well, brought the eq. up in the 2Khz region a bit and opened up the middle-end with a touch more verb. Brought it's gain up in the mix about 3-4 db.
Seems like it's pretty much there, just need to do the intro, work on builds / transitioning and work on the nuance-y fine details. |
the piano is a bit fluffy trance for me which i wouldnt be mad about - i love some of the synths in the background, gives that dark trance feel, also i think this would sound better at a higher bpm
its cool that you are going for an older sound, nothing wrong with that imo, I attempt that myself but its difficult sometimes
was reading what you said about kicks on the previous page, you could maybe try layering your kick with an 808 with a short decay so it doesnt boom
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