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GoSpeedGo!
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Registered: May 2006
Location: Eisenstein's laboratory
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quote: | Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights
As for the Nazi issue (if that is the main point here)--a filmmaker could substitute in any such creation there, or even keep 'Nazi', and achieve the same thing. |
See, I don't think this would work at all. The US has a completely different relationship to Nazism and to potray it as a cause of all evil in that country would seem ridiculous. I honestly don't know how you can think it would work in such a completely different setting, but you can elaborate on that and try to prove me otherwise. It's not like the Wanger family are some random people who were in Hitlerjugend or whatever; in this case, the Wangers are Sweden.
quote: | At least, I'd posit that a vast majority of the target audience would find no problem with it. That leads back to my initial hypothesis, however crudely formed, that the decision to film an otherwise Swedish movie in the English language was based on the perception of the American audience as Europhiles and little more than that. Many would rather see some strange, foreign word on a package in a store than see english words because it gives them some sort of unconscious pleasure. |
I don't understand this part - it was filmed in English because Americans are europhiles?
quote: | And now, regarding Coriolanus: you are right (as usual) that Shakespeare's plays are typically timeless and this one isn't any different, but what drew me into the film most, from the onset, was how effortlessly setting was established. In adaptations it typically takes more time to get acclimated, and especially considering how Fiennes opted to stick with the traditional Shakespearean language it was an amazing feat to see guns and modern attire then hear them speak so eloquently without it seeming out of place. It was done thusly: "In a place called Rome". I suppose it sounds...trite, but in the context of the film I thought it was excellent. |
Yeah, I was just trying to point out the difference between the two movies and why I think they aren't comparable in this case. Adapting Shakespeare inherently means there's going to be a lot of creative freedom - partly because it's been already established by previous modern adaptations and partly because of the nature of the text itself.
quote: | For me, Fincher failed to properly connect what I was hearing and what I was seeing. |
As you said before, I think this is a problem of suspension of disbelief. I get that it might turn someone off, but this has become such a common practice that I can't imagine someone would still see it as an issue. Actors in TGWTDT even try to speak with a European accent and they greet themselves in Swedish. At least there's the effort to make it seem a bit plausible and I think it's done tastefully. It's not like there are Americans running around, talking like cowboys.
quote: | Consider A Separation for instance: a movie which is much more heavily tied to a certain social climate. Would you care for a hollywood remake, shot to take place in Iran but totally spoken in English? |
That would definitely sound awful. But again, just like Shakespeare is not Larsson, Iran is not Sweden - English in Europe is much more common and even culturally the two continents more or less belong to the same paradigm. Middle East is just so much different that it would seem out of place. This has to be considered on a case by case basis - one may be a lot more acceptable than the other.
quote: | [Just as I found Fincher's need to remake such a fresh movie to be appalling |
Fincher's film was not a remake of the original Swedish movie, it was a new adaptation of the book. This distinction is important.
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Mar-09-2012 21:40
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quote: | Originally posted by Julz
Highly recommend Take Shelter!!
Amazing movie |
I just watched it!
What a freaking incredible movie!!!!
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Mar-10-2012 03:08
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srussell0018
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Registered: Dec 2006
Location: Blumsberg
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When the motorcyclist Johnny Blaze finds that his father Barton Blaze has a terminal cancer, he accepts a pact with the Mephistopheles, giving his soul for the health of his beloved father. But the devil deceives him, and Barton dies in a motorcycle accident during an exhibition. Johnny leaves the carnival, his town, his friends and his girlfriend Roxanne. Years later Johnny Blaze becomes a famous motorcyclist, who risks his life in his shows, and he meets Roxanne again, now a TV reporter. However, Mephistopheles proposes Johnny to release his contract if he become the "Ghost Rider" and defeat his evil son Blackheart, who wants to possess one thousand evil souls and transform hell on earth.
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quote: | Originally posted by OrangestO
This isn't about physics, this is about waves.
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Mar-13-2012 00:33
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