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DJ RANN
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quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'm aware of all the re-shoot blather, but from what I've read it's the film's ending that wasn't coming together very well, and that ultimately turned out to be the strongest act.
With that said, I can definitely believe there was more material from the opening scenes that was cut out, as these scenes really aren't edited very well and the pacing is a bit off. The film finds its rhythm once they set off on their mission and touch down on the planet of Jehda. I think the problem is that there's a lot of characters and plot devices that need putting in their place, in a story that takes place on numerous different planets, in order to get the ball rolling.
I suspect some slightly tidier writing in the script could have got some of this information across better. Did we really need to cut to Jedha to see Riz Ahmed's character being manhandled about, for example? While his character has his own little arc which can be considered thematically relevant, it's fairly lightweight in the overall picture and I would have pared him right down so he's introduced to the audience at the same time as he is to the protagonists. It's one of those instances where as a writer you sometimes have to sacrifice some of your message for the sake of smoother storytelling. |
I think you're right but the problem with storytelling on this scale is that once you start messing with one art, it affects the story as a whole and changes the weight of other scenes.
I will say that ANH and ROTJ do jump around quite a bit as well; the are characters in ANH that get less than 2 seconds of screen time and seem to serve no other purpose than create the alien plethora and atmosphere.
I do think timing played a part - Disney were adamant about the release date but as studio they're probably one of the most anal about details so there's definitely compromises that were made that they usually wouldn't have allowed.
An example is a Friend of mine over here that had to direct a medium budget disney project.
They made him story board every single scene (by the second) just to get the gig. In one part, there's a 5 second scene in a room and one of the walls had a floral-ish looking wallpaper. One of the execs asked what wallpaper it was. He explained roughly and they said they'd need to see it. He quickly sketched it out, and they said, no, we need to see it. He had to order the wallpaper from the UK and put it on a sheet of drywall so they could actually see it. For one 5 second scene as a background wall covering He got the gig and said in all his career he's never seen a studio so involved in detail and every single decision is documented, nothing left to artistic free reign that isn't observed and approved.
Check this shit out - and bear in mind this is from 1943:
The fact that Rogue one isn't perfectly formed leads me to believe they just couldn't miss the Christmas release window and were willing to let some things slide.
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Dec-30-2016 19:48
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SYSTEM-J
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Location: Manchester
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quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I will say that ANH and ROTJ do jump around quite a bit as well; the are characters in ANH that get less than 2 seconds of screen time and seem to serve no other purpose than create the alien plethora and atmosphere. |
They aren't really "characters", though. They might have a name in the script and some kind of elaborate costume, but they're extra-terrestrial extras. And if you watch how ANH opens, it unfolds at quite a leisurely pace. We don't meet Luke Skywalker until 15 minutes in. George Lucas actually filmed a lot of scenes with Luke and his friends on Tatoine, discussing the space battle above and adding some back story, but ultimately he cut it all out for the sake of pacing and cohesion and decided to just follow the droids until they meet Luke.
Of all the Star Wars films, A New Hope has by far the best story structure. The pacing and development of the plot is nigh-on faultless. The sequels are actually fairly unconventional in terms of story structure (unless you're a structuralist idiot who boils everything down to the barest archetypes). Rogue One has structural problems that should have been addressed at the writing stage. There's simply too much in the film, and even after it's been heavily cut down (to the extent that half the footage/dialogue in the trailers isn't in the finished film) it's still choppy and uneven.
As I said, it gets over these bumps, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of extended/director's cut released down the line that could easily run to three hours. If Disney would allow it, that is.
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Dec-30-2016 20:05
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DJ RANN
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quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
well im not much of a film critic as you know, but i've moved away from movies as i think tv has been providing much better scifi/fantasy products for a while now (prometheus was the last straw for me, christ). |
Did you hate prometheus?
Weirdly, it's one of the few sci-fi's that really stuck with me and I've loved sci-fi my whole life, probably why i became an engineer. Don't get me wrong, there were many faux pas and it was deeply flawed , but there's something about the themes and the atmosphere that 99% of sci-fi films don't ever get close to.
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