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Storyteller
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Registered: Feb 2005
Location: The Netherlands
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Okay, why not.
For me it went like this. I came across this tune (below) on Spotify (discover weekly). I loved the chord progression and set a goal to recreate it and then see what happens.
Projects, for me, always start with a clean slate. No preset config. I imported the tune mentioned above into Ableton, took aan arbitrary piano and started recreating the chords.
When I had the first 4-5 chords (can't quite remember) I put a kick under it to see what placement/timing would do. When I had a progression I liked I started to build a beat.
Usually for me that goes something like this in order:
Kick
Offbeat closed hat
Low perc to get groove going
Mid perc
high perc (put in light reverbed drum track in this project)
Looking at the image below I built up the above list gradually wile sifting through loads of samples. You can see I made a split based on character. Some drum elements I wanted to have light reverb, others heavy.
Then I replaced the midi/piano with a sylenth one factory preset. Added Trillian for bass, with volume automation to mimic side-chaining.
Then I wanted to work on an intro, got my fav synth out (Synth1, free VST) which created the strings that now push the track forward. I modified the chords a bit to make it feel better. As a result they don't really fit with the previous clip anymore. Unintented bonus is I have the potential to create 2 tracks with the same project now .
Now I needed to make it more exciting. I wanted to add some shimmer on top of the chords. Chicane does that all to well so I tried to recreate it. It's basically a simple arp with some supersaw-ish sound from Sylenth1 with a lot of reverb.
Dry
wet
Then I started adding some sfx to make the intro more exciting, because it was just lengthy. Added some shakers in a new drum rack with heavy reverb. Somewhere in between I also played with the chord progression I originally intended. At the end of the preview you can hear a piano version and some electric piano I still intend to use for the second take on this track.
Current state of the track.
If you merge the picture below with the previous picture you can see the full arrangement currently built:
Most synths are highpassed at various frequencies and some drum sounds also individually altered through the drum rack. The drum bus is compressed altogether at the group level with 'The Glue' compressor and on master there is a basic limiter running which gets hit very slightly.
Now, for me, I'm left figuring out how to proceed. No clue.
Questions?
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Last edited by Storyteller on Jun-24-2020 at 14:42
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Jun-24-2020 11:45
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SystematicX1
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Sep 2010
Location: Washington Coast
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Thanks guys, appreciate the responses. If I may for a moment interject.
I am juggling both of yours and Story's input as well as hitting a track myself atm. The wave hasn't come for awhile so, trying to ride it as much as I can.
I do want to respond in the immediate form however about track layouts.
It isn't that I am not interested in any of that as a matter of fact I find it interesting that I incorporate a hybrid form of what you guys do.
quote: | Projects, for me, always start with a clean slate. No preset config. I imported the tune mentioned above into Ableton, took aan arbitrary piano and started recreating the chords. When I had the first 4-5 chords (can't quite remember) I put a kick under it to see what placement/timing would do. When I had a progression I liked I started to build a beat. Usually for me that goes something like this in order: Kick Offbeat closed hat Low perc to get groove going Mid perc high perc (put in light reverbed drum track in this project) |
This is 90% on how I start a track. The difference for me is that I tend to feel for the flow of what I have. If it seems to be leaning towards a percussive side then I tend to build on that. If I happen to have a solid groove in a short period I tend to lean towards adding bass,sub next. On and On..
Hive is one of my go to's. I have almost their complete line. Almost
Ahhh Cthulhu. I really really need to get this as this is what my style craves in arps. ALL of Dudas stuff is straight up legit. As for your starting with this, I generally do the same if I (again, how my tracks are formed) am feeling that Arp vibe and start off messing around with just ...an arp. It is a different approach than what I listed as Story's way but in context it is all about mood for me.
With that said, IF I start off using an Arp, in this instance you using Cthu, the point of where you start talking about routing to bus is where again...you got me ( I do remember our prior discussion and followed the links but still was stumped at...why)
Now, I know this could get lengthy and I am not sure I am quite prepared for that but with that said...
Most of the questions are based on Dynamics.
I have TONS of issues with Sub gelling in a mix. I use EQ albeit I really have no idea what I am doing say that I can generally gauge by ear and know relatively on a frequency scale what I need to achieve.
Compression for me is not really an issue. Do I understand it? Not even close but at the very least I know how much to and NOT to use.
I low cut filter as much as I can and generally don't get to much frequency battles and If I do I am able to at least recognize it.
I have been messing around with panning and stereo widening on certain elements and just now at a point where I am able to recognize that yet again, things do not need to be an over aggressive amount. Subtly plays.
Again, I still am unable to achieve certain dynamic ranges with my tracks. I use a resource track and try to emulate tones and frequencies but in the end, I just get a muddy tone.
I can say this, a good example will be forth coming from me real soon as I have some tonality issues with a string segment.
Really really really appreciate all of your inputs guys
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Jun-24-2020 23:00
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TranceLover007
DariusX
Registered: Sep 2009
Location: Seattle, USA
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quote: | Originally posted by SystematicX1
Thanks guys, appreciate the responses. If I may for a moment interject.
I am juggling both of yours and Story's input as well as hitting a track myself atm. The wave hasn't come for awhile so, trying to ride it as much as I can.
I do want to respond in the immediate form however about track layouts.
It isn't that I am not interested in any of that as a matter of fact I find it interesting that I incorporate a hybrid form of what you guys do.
This is 90% on how I start a track. The difference for me is that I tend to feel for the flow of what I have. If it seems to be leaning towards a percussive side then I tend to build on that. If I happen to have a solid groove in a short period I tend to lean towards adding bass,sub next. On and On..
Hive is one of my go to's. I have almost their complete line. Almost
Ahhh Cthulhu. I really really need to get this as this is what my style craves in arps. ALL of Dudas stuff is straight up legit. As for your starting with this, I generally do the same if I (again, how my tracks are formed) am feeling that Arp vibe and start off messing around with just ...an arp. It is a different approach than what I listed as Story's way but in context it is all about mood for me.
With that said, IF I start off using an Arp, in this instance you using Cthu, the point of where you start talking about routing to bus is where again...you got me ( I do remember our prior discussion and followed the links but still was stumped at...why)
Now, I know this could get lengthy and I am not sure I am quite prepared for that but with that said...
Most of the questions are based on Dynamics.
I have TONS of issues with Sub gelling in a mix. I use EQ albeit I really have no idea what I am doing say that I can generally gauge by ear and know relatively on a frequency scale what I need to achieve.
Compression for me is not really an issue. Do I understand it? Not even close but at the very least I know how much to and NOT to use.
I low cut filter as much as I can and generally don't get to much frequency battles and If I do I am able to at least recognize it.
I have been messing around with panning and stereo widening on certain elements and just now at a point where I am able to recognize that yet again, things do not need to be an over aggressive amount. Subtly plays.
Again, I still am unable to achieve certain dynamic ranges with my tracks. I use a resource track and try to emulate tones and frequencies but in the end, I just get a muddy tone.
I can say this, a good example will be forth coming from me real soon as I have some tonality issues with a string segment.
Really really really appreciate all of your inputs guys |
I think we will have much more success when you could upload your WIP for us to download so we can work on it individually and then we can share our result later with you to have more constructive conversation about what and how we did certain things. You will need to export each individual track for us and midi if possible (for different sound selection lol). I also strongly suggest to get this F9-audio toolkit for Ableton (https://www.f9-audio.com/products/f...t=5838947221533)
Let me know if this would work for you?
Darek
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