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TranceLover007
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quote:
Originally posted by SystematicX1
This is true, however....how many of us really post on here? 6?
::edit:: As well, yea this is kind of a Track breakdown but at the same time even though Story is breaking it down on some of the process at the end he is treating it as a WIP and asking for suggestions because the song is unfinished


So Phil,

Before I will walk you through my process of creating new track I would like you to look at few different programs/packages which I use:

1) Xfer-Cthulhu (https://xferrecords.com/products/cthulhu)
2) F9-audio (https://www.f9-audio.com/products/f...t=5838947221533)
3) Blackoctopus-sound (Black Octopus Sound - Mega Sample Collectio)

Also
4) U-he-HIVE (https://u-he.com/products/hive/)

This is my base for laying out new concept - first I create new midi track with Cthulhu and send this generated midi to second track with hive on it (you can use any synth software you want in the place of hive) - this will let me go relatively quickly through some different chords progression to generate my melodic idea (in Cthulhu you can add external presets to add more genre specific chords presets). With addition of a kick and snare you can start to generate some basic core of your future track.

Next post will be about drums and bass creation and please let me know if you would like to see any images or sound snippets for clarity.

Darek


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SystematicX1
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Thanks guys, appreciate the responses. If I may for a moment interject.
I am juggling both of yours and Story's input as well as hitting a track myself atm. The wave hasn't come for awhile so, trying to ride it as much as I can.
I do want to respond in the immediate form however about track layouts.
It isn't that I am not interested in any of that as a matter of fact I find it interesting that I incorporate a hybrid form of what you guys do.

quote:
Projects, for me, always start with a clean slate. No preset config. I imported the tune mentioned above into Ableton, took aan arbitrary piano and started recreating the chords. When I had the first 4-5 chords (can't quite remember) I put a kick under it to see what placement/timing would do. When I had a progression I liked I started to build a beat. Usually for me that goes something like this in order: Kick Offbeat closed hat Low perc to get groove going Mid perc high perc (put in light reverbed drum track in this project)


This is 90% on how I start a track. The difference for me is that I tend to feel for the flow of what I have. If it seems to be leaning towards a percussive side then I tend to build on that. If I happen to have a solid groove in a short period I tend to lean towards adding bass,sub next. On and On..

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1) Xfer-Cthulhu (https://xferrecords.com/products/cthulhu) 2) F9-audio (https://www.f9-audio.com/products/f...t=5838947221533) 3) Blackoctopus-sound (Black Octopus Sound - Mega Sample Collectio) Also 4) U-he-HIVE (https://u-he.com/products/hive/) This is my base for laying out new concept - first I create new midi track with Cthulhu and send this generated midi to second track


Hive is one of my go to's. I have almost their complete line. Almost
Ahhh Cthulhu. I really really need to get this as this is what my style craves in arps. ALL of Dudas stuff is straight up legit. As for your starting with this, I generally do the same if I (again, how my tracks are formed) am feeling that Arp vibe and start off messing around with just ...an arp. It is a different approach than what I listed as Story's way but in context it is all about mood for me.
With that said, IF I start off using an Arp, in this instance you using Cthu, the point of where you start talking about routing to bus is where again...you got me ( I do remember our prior discussion and followed the links but still was stumped at...why)
Now, I know this could get lengthy and I am not sure I am quite prepared for that but with that said...

Most of the questions are based on Dynamics.
I have TONS of issues with Sub gelling in a mix. I use EQ albeit I really have no idea what I am doing say that I can generally gauge by ear and know relatively on a frequency scale what I need to achieve.

Compression for me is not really an issue. Do I understand it? Not even close but at the very least I know how much to and NOT to use.
I low cut filter as much as I can and generally don't get to much frequency battles and If I do I am able to at least recognize it.

I have been messing around with panning and stereo widening on certain elements and just now at a point where I am able to recognize that yet again, things do not need to be an over aggressive amount. Subtly plays.

Again, I still am unable to achieve certain dynamic ranges with my tracks. I use a resource track and try to emulate tones and frequencies but in the end, I just get a muddy tone.

I can say this, a good example will be forth coming from me real soon as I have some tonality issues with a string segment.

Really really really appreciate all of your inputs guys


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TranceLover007
DariusX



Registered: Sep 2009
Location: Seattle, USA

quote:
Originally posted by SystematicX1
Thanks guys, appreciate the responses. If I may for a moment interject.
I am juggling both of yours and Story's input as well as hitting a track myself atm. The wave hasn't come for awhile so, trying to ride it as much as I can.
I do want to respond in the immediate form however about track layouts.
It isn't that I am not interested in any of that as a matter of fact I find it interesting that I incorporate a hybrid form of what you guys do.



This is 90% on how I start a track. The difference for me is that I tend to feel for the flow of what I have. If it seems to be leaning towards a percussive side then I tend to build on that. If I happen to have a solid groove in a short period I tend to lean towards adding bass,sub next. On and On..



Hive is one of my go to's. I have almost their complete line. Almost
Ahhh Cthulhu. I really really need to get this as this is what my style craves in arps. ALL of Dudas stuff is straight up legit. As for your starting with this, I generally do the same if I (again, how my tracks are formed) am feeling that Arp vibe and start off messing around with just ...an arp. It is a different approach than what I listed as Story's way but in context it is all about mood for me.
With that said, IF I start off using an Arp, in this instance you using Cthu, the point of where you start talking about routing to bus is where again...you got me ( I do remember our prior discussion and followed the links but still was stumped at...why)
Now, I know this could get lengthy and I am not sure I am quite prepared for that but with that said...

Most of the questions are based on Dynamics.
I have TONS of issues with Sub gelling in a mix. I use EQ albeit I really have no idea what I am doing say that I can generally gauge by ear and know relatively on a frequency scale what I need to achieve.

Compression for me is not really an issue. Do I understand it? Not even close but at the very least I know how much to and NOT to use.
I low cut filter as much as I can and generally don't get to much frequency battles and If I do I am able to at least recognize it.

I have been messing around with panning and stereo widening on certain elements and just now at a point where I am able to recognize that yet again, things do not need to be an over aggressive amount. Subtly plays.

Again, I still am unable to achieve certain dynamic ranges with my tracks. I use a resource track and try to emulate tones and frequencies but in the end, I just get a muddy tone.

I can say this, a good example will be forth coming from me real soon as I have some tonality issues with a string segment.

Really really really appreciate all of your inputs guys


I think we will have much more success when you could upload your WIP for us to download so we can work on it individually and then we can share our result later with you to have more constructive conversation about what and how we did certain things. You will need to export each individual track for us and midi if possible (for different sound selection lol). I also strongly suggest to get this F9-audio toolkit for Ableton (https://www.f9-audio.com/products/f...t=5838947221533)

Let me know if this would work for you?

Darek


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SystematicX1
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Ok Story,

I was able to listen and view your track breakdown however the Dry and Wet samples didn't appear for me.
What I am getting from this is a very dominant kick. At the beginning is there something underneath that? It is hard to tell on the kick.
When that Pad/Stab loop hits and then widens though....very nice.
In some ways I am visualizing your kick progression notes but replacing them with a subby slap bass like variation drawing out as many notes as you can on that progression. Thinking Jazz
Piano Sax lead overs? It has a very snappy feel and I think it would deserve something organic and crisp over the top.

The other idea I had came listening around 3:11 of this piece and I started thinking and getting this vibing change. For a moment it took on a real tangerine dream feel in which I could hear an analog lead over that.
Thanks for all your input Story. I learn from you guys in ways you can't imagine.

----------------------------

Now then. I kinda pushed the midnight oil tonight on this because I wanted to get it up in at least a presentable manner.
This track is actually so young I am apprehensive of putting it up because I know the areas that need attention.

1: The lack of any sub (at least on the intro)
2: Bass will change or maybe even get layered with current, undecided
3: Pad #1 (non arp) I am having a love/hate relationship with. It probably would be smarter to go with a non analog string and go with some better sampled ones.
4: Piano. This is the stock Ableton Grand sample and personally..I am not impressed.
5: I am getting some irritating cymbal/percussion elements that are a little to high in the mix for my taste. The reversed closed to open High hat before the clap (on the down beat) is questionable.

I am feeling better on this bounce with the composition and about 75% comfortable with the arrangement tones.
I am feeling this is a decent bed I can go with but feel it needs a nice lead over the top somehow.
At around 2:23 is probably the best representation I am trying to achieve.


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TranceLover007
DariusX



Registered: Sep 2009
Location: Seattle, USA

quote:
Originally posted by SystematicX1


Ok Story,

I was able to listen and view your track breakdown however the Dry and Wet samples didn't appear for me.
What I am getting from this is a very dominant kick. At the beginning is there something underneath that? It is hard to tell on the kick.
When that Pad/Stab loop hits and then widens though....very nice.
In some ways I am visualizing your kick progression notes but replacing them with a subby slap bass like variation drawing out as many notes as you can on that progression. Thinking Jazz
Piano Sax lead overs? It has a very snappy feel and I think it would deserve something organic and crisp over the top.

The other idea I had came listening around 3:11 of this piece and I started thinking and getting this vibing change. For a moment it took on a real tangerine dream feel in which I could hear an analog lead over that.
Thanks for all your input Story. I learn from you guys in ways you can't imagine.

----------------------------

Now then. I kinda pushed the midnight oil tonight on this because I wanted to get it up in at least a presentable manner.
This track is actually so young I am apprehensive of putting it up because I know the areas that need attention.

1: The lack of any sub (at least on the intro)
2: Bass will change or maybe even get layered with current, undecided
3: Pad #1 (non arp) I am having a love/hate relationship with. It probably would be smarter to go with a non analog string and go with some better sampled ones.
4: Piano. This is the stock Ableton Grand sample and personally..I am not impressed.
5: I am getting some irritating cymbal/percussion elements that are a little to high in the mix for my taste. The reversed closed to open High hat before the clap (on the down beat) is questionable.

I am feeling better on this bounce with the composition and about 75% comfortable with the arrangement tones.
I am feeling this is a decent bed I can go with but feel it needs a nice lead over the top somehow.
At around 2:23 is probably the best representation I am trying to achieve.



Phil,

Can you give me a favorite and render this WIP one more time (maybe like two min in the middle of the track) without piano track (just turn off), I would like to hear how everything seats in it and how kick, drums and bass drives this grove.

Cheers,

Darek


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Just quick video from my latest WIP - let you see how drums and bass seats in this track. There is some kind of small metallic artifact in this video recording - you can hear it in bass line portion specifically, I think it is a on-board sound card (which for this video I had to switch to) because in reality doesn't exist lol.

Darek


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Last edited by TranceLover007 on Jun-25-2020 at 21:39

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SystematicX1
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Location: Las Vegas

quote:
Originally posted by TranceLover007
Just quick video from my latest WIP - let you see how drums and bass seats in this track. There is some kind of small metallic artifact in this video recording - you can hear it in bass line portion specifically, I think it is a on-board sound card (which for this video I had to switch to) because in reality doesn't exist lol.

Darek




Uploading now....

In the meantime. Group 12 Digi Bass setup caught my attention. I am partially seeing what you did there on the sub. Correct me if I am wrong but you Low and High Passed on those three separately ?


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Ok..I have uploaded stems to Google drive as well as Soundcloud

Google Drive : https://drive.google.com/drive/fold...CFV?usp=sharing

Soundcloud :


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quote:
Originally posted by SystematicX1
Ok..I have uploaded stems to Google drive as well as Soundcloud

Google Drive : https://drive.google.com/drive/fold...CFV?usp=sharing

Soundcloud :


What is your BPM?


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120


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🦉 120bpm is R&B. 140bpm min. for trance or gtfo! Joke.

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🦉 120bpm is R&B. 140bpm min. for trance or gtfo! Joke.


LOL


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