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Taipan
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Jan-20-2012 07:40
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EgosXII
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quote: | Originally posted by GoSpeedGo!
Warrior is massively overrated (see: people on imdb hailing it as the best movie of last year, or even of all time). It succeeds in increasing testosterone levels and eliciting emotions, and that's fine, but other than that it isn't really interesting in any way.
Actually, I found the film to be quite problematic on an ideological level - the whole premise about a guy who can't pay his mortgage anymore and decides to win money by entering a fighting tournament sounds interesting enough, but then you see that the whole Sparta thing is financed by some hedge fund guy. The same financial system which gives you a loan you can't pay then offers you to let yourself get beat up and then pay it back. And of course, everything's fine at the end so the unsustainable American dream can continue. It sounds almost like a science-fiction story, like Gamer - except here you don't have a comic book villain like Kastle, just some fairly unimportant bankers. Another important difference is, Warrior doesn't realize that this situation (and its "positive" outcome) is not ok. |
Agree; but doesn't make it any less enjoyable. It is a mindless action film, and I enjoyed it in that context. I can't think of one hollywood action film which has any moral or artistic value, and this sits very well in that vein. I think it did better than other hollywood action films in drawing me in and, as you said, eliciting my emotions.
I don't think its a great film in general, but it definitely did exactly what it was meant to do extremely well; hence my endorsement of the movie. If anyone were to go into it expecting anything good (in a broader scheme) they would have to be pretty thick...
You always rage on about films "intentions": This film, more than any I've seen you defend met and exceeded the intentions. I don't think it was ever aiming to be anything deep or intelligent; it was aiming to draw emotions and 'increase testosterone' levels, and I think it nailed that perfectly
I wouldn't recomend it on a list of best films (even of the year), but would certainly recomend it on a list of mindless hollywood action films pretty highly!
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Jan-26-2012 03:09
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LAdazeNYnights
Crossing Swords
Registered: Nov 2009
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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quote: | Originally posted by GoSpeedGo!
Warrior is massively overrated (see: people on imdb hailing it as the best movie of last year, or even of all time). It succeeds in increasing testosterone levels and eliciting emotions, and that's fine, but other than that it isn't really interesting in any way.
Actually, I found the film to be quite problematic on an ideological level - the whole premise about a guy who can't pay his mortgage anymore and decides to win money by entering a fighting tournament sounds interesting enough, but then you see that the whole Sparta thing is financed by some hedge fund guy. The same financial system which gives you a loan you can't pay then offers you to let yourself get beat up and then pay it back. And of course, everything's fine at the end so the unsustainable American dream can continue. It sounds almost like a science-fiction story, like Gamer - except here you don't have a comic book villain like Kastle, just some fairly unimportant bankers. Another important difference is, Warrior doesn't realize that this situation (and its "positive" outcome) is not ok. |
I agree, and there were a few small things I didn't really like - the idea that the one brother, who had deserted the marines (yet was still lauded as a war hero), was going to be taken into custody by the government after the fight so a few marines showed up to guard him in his locker room or something. They showed them for 30 seconds and to make it seem as though they were making sure he didn't flee but then the next time or 2 that you see him in his locker room they are no longer there. In fact, there's no mention of that 35 second subplot ever again. There were quite a few ideas like that (major ideas) that presented themselves and then failed to play out on any substantial level.
I also thought the imdb praise to be kinda odd (I rated it a 6) but I would recommend it to a friend. Especially if that friend were in a fraternity. rofl.
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