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varun
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quote:
Originally posted by echosystm
it applies regardless of speaker type


You think so? Actually, my background is not really studio design and setups but, more towards installation audio / pro sound.
In that regard, I'm not really qualified to answer.

However, in my experience, I've kept sub-bass units in the corners of certain rooms and have achieved excellent bass response down to 30 Hz without any noticeable phase cancellation.
Mind you, none of these units were rear-bass ported.
JBL SRX 728S, if you've head of them.

Of course, those rooms were acoustically treated w/ low RT60 / RT30 and great intelligibility to start with.

Personally, I prefer flown-subs w/ line-arrays for larger installations.
It's pretty hard to beat the vertical pattern control, low drop-over distance and the even SPL distribution


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DJ RANN
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IMHO, stay the hell away from 2.1 systems. You have to be so particular/precise with a separate sub and someone else just walking in to the room can effect the accoustical dynamics.

With mid or near monitoring systems the sound ideally is the direct output from the speakers with the room tailored as best as possible to reduce colouration (or not as sometimes desired for a particular room "feel").

Flown subs and line arrays are only for live sound reinforcement and while they do offer good clarity for music dependent on good hi frequncy respresentation (classical, vocals etc), I'd take a traditional stack set-up any day for popular music (edm, rock, pop).
LA systems are great in hockey rinks and are actually more efficient in terms of the amount of kit needed (as opposed to regular stacks)but nearly every prolive sound engineer I know perefer stacks.

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clay
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agree on that. if your going to have subs i would prefer stereo on those too.

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Eric J
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quote:
Originally posted by palm
agree on that. if your going to have subs i would prefer stereo on those too.


I dont think there is such a thing as a sub in stereo because bass is monodirectional.

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echosystm
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quote:
Originally posted by Eric J
I dont think there is such a thing as a sub in stereo because bass is monodirectional.


It is at low enough frequencies. Palm was probably talking about those shit systems where the "sub" goes all the way up to 800-1000


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clay
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stupid. yes u can mono the sub but you should have two anyway so it wount be as directional and only work in corners.

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mysticalninja
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quote:
Originally posted by 3F05Q
Explain or reword before I call BS. What do you mean 'develop'? Are you describing a specific situation? You too mysticalninja.


develop. as in, complete a full cycle, from compression to refraction. look it up.


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3F05Q
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quote:
Originally posted by mysticalninja
develop, complete a full cycle, from compression to refraction. look it up.


I'm a physicist, I'm quite familiar with it. "complete a full cycle" is fine. By "compression to refraction" you mean 'rarefaction', which is a decrease in density, and compression to rarefaction would only be a half-cycle.

Your earlier statement: "so you wont hear it at its loudest unless your 10 feet away" would only apply to a situation in which there is a standing wave with a wavelength of 10 feet (a wall n10+5 feet away where n is a positive integer, for instance). Otherwise, the loudest point would be at the source. For a point source, the intensity drops as 1/r^2, while the sound pressure decreases as 1/r. look it up.

I'm not talking about wierd situations in rooms with objects and a sub on the floor, blah blah blah, and perhaps it's a difference in context that is leading to a misunderstanding. I'm not versed on room treatment and behavior like some here are, which is why I wouldn't attempt to discuss such specific scenarios. As many have taken the time to educate me, I like to return the favor where I can.

If you'd like to discuss anything further, drop me a PM, I'm beginning to feel like a threadjacker.

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3F05Q
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quote:
Originally posted by mysticalninja
wtf are you talking about? i was pointing out where the misconception that you were pointing out comes from, not challenging you to some duel of mental manhood, genious.

and by the way, you're wrong about 2 things. compression to rarefaction (yes thank you for correcting my spelling) is a full cycle of a sound wave. and 60hz wont be loudest at the source, it will be loudest 10-12feet away, which is about the distance it takes for 60hz to fully develop. this is why cars will sound so loud coming down the street..

and theres nothing wrong with saying develop instead of "complete a full cycle", gtfo you highhorse fukin robot monkey.


Nice thread edit?

Honestly, why do you feel the need to attack me directly. "fuckin robot monkey" ? Really? Honestly, why? Of course this isn't some "duel of mental manhood." I'm sorry that you're used to crap like that happening, seeing as how it's the internet and all. My intentions are not and never have been anything like that. Read my PM that I sent before you edited with the BS personal attacks. I was hoping to discuss it further with you there.

(I'm taking the perspective of maximum compression, to maximum rarefaction and then BACK to maximum compression for a full cycle. Symantics. Whatever.)

This entire conversation should have never taken place, and I apologize for how off topic it is.

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varun
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Registered: Dec 2003
Location: Bangkok

quote:
Originally posted by 3F05Q
I'm a physicist, I'm quite familiar with it. "complete a full cycle" is fine. By "compression to refraction" you mean 'rarefaction', which is a decrease in density, and compression to rarefaction would only be a half-cycle.

Your earlier statement: "so you wont hear it at its loudest unless your 10 feet away" would only apply to a situation in which there is a standing wave with a wavelength of 10 feet (a wall n10+5 feet away where n is a positive integer, for instance). Otherwise, the loudest point would be at the source. For a point source, the intensity drops as 1/r^2, while the sound pressure decreases as 1/r. look it up.

I'm not talking about wierd situations in rooms with objects and a sub on the floor, blah blah blah, and perhaps it's a difference in context that is leading to a misunderstanding. I'm not versed on room treatment and behavior like some here are, which is why I wouldn't attempt to discuss such specific scenarios. As many have taken the time to educate me, I like to return the favor where I can.

If you'd like to discuss anything further, drop me a PM, I'm beginning to feel like a threadjacker.


To put it more clearly, the Inverse square law.
Sound intensity is inversely proportional to square of distance.
For the doubling of distance from the point of origin, the SPL drops by 6 dB.

One thing to note is that the Inverse Square Law applies to point-and-shoot speakers.

Line array speakers are another story.


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Finally, I get to post in this awesome thr4d.

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THRAD??? GGTFO


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