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Originally posted by Psy-T bleh, this thread annoyed me, including occrider's post

Well I'm right . It's a classic boolean logic puzzle:

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The Riddle An ancient riddle presents the following problem. You stand before two doors. One of the doors leads to great wealth; the other door leads to certain death. Beside the doors stand two guardians. You know that one of the guardians always tells the truth and that the other guardian always lies. You may ask one question of one guardian before entering a door. What question do you ask, and who do you ask? The Solution You randomly select a guardian and ask it, "If I asked the other guardian which door leads to wealth, what would it say?" If you have asked the honest guardian, then his answer will be the lie told by the other guardian. If you have asked the liar, then he will lie about the correct answer given by the other guardian. Either way you have heard the lie--the wrong door. This problem can be analyzed using boolean logic, because every answer is either true or false. Each guardian can be represented by a boolean function. Let H and L be the functions representing the honest and lying guardians respectively. H(a)=a, and L(a)=not a for all truth values a. Now if you ask the question of the honest guardian, mathematically we have H(L(T))=H(F)=F. If you ask the question of the lying guardian, mathematically we have L(H(T))=L(T)=F. Either way we receive a false output. http://www.math.uaa.alaska.edu/~afm...s/guardian.html

The puzzle isn't supposed to be worded that the lying guardian always deceives as opposed to always lies.

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Originally posted by washout anyone ever get tired of people making all these threads based on a single news link. im sure i will do it once or twice, but most people start every post in here like that. they just rely on internet news to stimulate their minds. small rant.

Well generally a news event is a good segue to spawn a debate about something.

I don't know about you, but I don't sit around pondering random moral dilemmas like ... the use of incindiary weapons in civilian areas until I see it happen in the news or something.

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Originally posted by occrider The puzzle isn't supposed to be worded that the lying guardian always deceives as opposed to always lies.

but it's not supposed to be worded that the guardians guard their respective doors

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hmm, seems like i might be going on another AWOL trip... :/

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Originally posted by Psy-T but it's not supposed to be worded that the guardians guard their respective doors

Irrelevant . It's a logical question posed to "A" and Not "A". All other considerations are secondary and immaterial to the logic puzzle. You're perfectly welcome to construct your own scenario, but the guidelines to this experiment are somewhat established.

Change of topic ... I'm going to be in Europe March 31st to April 17th. The only firm dates that I have is that I'm going to be in Rome from the 31st until the 2nd, in Prague from the 4th until the 7th, and back in Rome by the 16th until I leave on the 17th.I need some help filling in the in betweens. What I know now is that Interlacken is on the list and Basel (it's where we're flying to Prague from) ... everything else is up for grabs. Would anyone like to makes suggestions with respect to places to visit in Italy, Switzerland, and Austria? FYI I'm a down to earth backpacker. I can afford the nicer places but I prefer hostels for the sake of havign a good time. Perhaps it's some kind of indicator that I LOVE travelling central america and I hate the touristy places so suggestions with that in mind would be appreciated.

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Originally posted by occrider Irrelevant . It's a logical question posed to "A" and Not "A". All other considerations are secondary and immaterial to the logic puzzle. You're perfectly welcome to construct your own scenario, but the guidelines to this experiment are somewhat established. Change of topic ... I'm going to be in Europe March 31st to April 17th. The only firm dates that I have is that I'm going to be in Rome from the 31st until the 2nd, in Prague from the 4th until the 7th, and back in Rome by the 16th until I leave on the 17th.I need some help filling in the in betweens. What I know now is that Interlacken is on the list and Basel (it's where we're flying to Prague from) ... everything else is up for grabs. Would anyone like to makes suggestions with respect to places to visit in Italy, Switzerland, and Austria? FYI I'm a down to earth backpacker. I can afford the nicer places but I prefer hostels for the sake of havign a good time. Perhaps it's some kind of indicator that I LOVE travelling central america and I hate the touristy places so suggestions with that in mind would be appreciated.

Toscana in Italy is nice. Florence is an obvious stop on the trip, for its museums and buildings, but for a slightly less touristy spot, go to Sienna. It's very traditional European (small town on top of a mountain, surrounded by a city wall), and quite relaxed. Just don't put chairs on their pool-tables, or expect them to converse in English.

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Originally posted by occrider FYI I'm a down to earth backpacker. I can afford the nicer places but I prefer hostels for the sake of havign a good time. Perhaps it's some kind of indicator that I LOVE travelling central america and I hate the touristy places so suggestions with that in mind would be appreciated.

Hmm, well, then I suppose you might wanna consider southeastern Europe and see all the nice and attractive places like Bulgaria, Albania, Bosnia, Romania, Moldavia, Belarus, Ukraine and so on. They all have that poor country central american feeling..Besides, I even think they opened up a Dracula theme park in Transylvannia. And don't go to Berlin. It's ugly and expensive. Nothing to see and a hostel costs 30 euros/night. Though it's kinda cool if you spend the night at the zoologische garten rail station. Bunch of drunk and high weirdos. Kinda like the COR, I suppose.

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i also LOVE backpacking occy!

did Singapore, Cambodia, Laos, and Thailand for a few months on my own last year - was my first time overseas and i caught the travel bug hardcore

next trip, south america 18 months, got the Teach English as a Foreign Langauge diploma, gonna try and get work in these countries starting with Chile

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Originally posted by tathi i also LOVE backpacking occy! did Singapore, Cambodia, Laos, and Thailand for a few months on my own last year - was my first time overseas and i caught the travel bug hardcore

Hmm..the prostitution paradise, eh?

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Originally posted by trancaholic Toscana in Italy is nice. Florence is an obvious stop on the trip, for its museums and buildings, but for a slightly less touristy spot, go to Sienna. It's very traditional European (small town on top of a mountain, surrounded by a city wall), and quite relaxed. Just don't put chairs on their pool-tables, or expect them to converse in English.

Cool thanks for the suggestions.

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Hmm, well, then I suppose you might wanna consider southeastern Europe and see all the nice and attractive places like Bulgaria, Albania, Bosnia, Romania, Moldavia, Belarus, Ukraine and so on. They all have that poor country central american feeling..Besides, I even think they opened up a Dracula theme park in Transylvannia. And don't go to Berlin. It's ugly and expensive. Nothing to see and a hostel costs 30 euros/night. Though it's kinda cool if you spend the night at the zoologische garten rail station. Bunch of drunk and high weirdos. Kinda like the COR, I suppose.

Unfortunately the Eurorail pass I'm going to buy will only permit travel between italy, Switzerland, and Austria.

I'm actually tasked with planning the Austria portion of our trip. Vienna is a given, but I'm trying to figure out whether to do Salzburg, Innsbruck, or Graz. Anyone have any firsthand insight into any of these cities? Any "must sees" along the way? Yea I guess I should know since I used to live in Vienna but that was a long time ago .

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next trip, south america 18 months, got the Teach English as a Foreign Langauge diploma, gonna try and get work in these countries starting with Chile

Cool, haven't made it below the equater yet. I'm still exploring Central America. I'm going back to Belize for some more diving right before my trip to Europe. My credit cards are going to be maxed out .

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Hey Occrider--bring me a bottle of Absinthe. I'll even pay ya!

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Originally posted by occrider I'm actually tasked with planning the Austria portion of our trip. Vienna is a given, but I'm trying to figure out whether to do Salzburg, Innsbruck, or Graz. Anyone have any firsthand insight into any of these cities? Any "must sees" along the way? Yea I guess I should know since I used to live in Vienna but that was a long time ago .

I warmly reccomend Graz, and when you're there stop by Thal, the birthplace of Arnold Schwarzenegger. I heard that the first gym he trained in has been turned into some sort of a memorial building.

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