Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Austin, Texas, USA: TXTA #102
So I was listening to an old Sank Tank CD (ST3 to be specific, remember that track Eugina? Fuckin great track!). And, man, trance just isn't the same anymore. That euphoric dreamy feel to it is completely gone , and has been replaced by recycled, unoriginal, uninspired cheesy synths and cheesy vocals. Now it just sounds like standard crapy club music. But I guess that's what happens when a genre becomes mainstream (in some broader sense, it's played in alot of clubs across Europe and even the US now, so I would definetly call it mainstream).
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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."-Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller
Apr-29-2006 03:17
shaolin_Z
Hei Hu Quan
Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Austin, Texas, USA: TXTA #102
Hmm... I just got a set by Moshic, an Israeli DJ. It's pretty good so far.
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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."-Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller
Apr-29-2006 04:29
stevieboy32808
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Registered: Mar 2005
Location: United States
quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
So I was listening to an old Sank Tank CD (ST3 to be specific, remember that track Eugina? Fuckin great track!). And, man, trance just isn't the same anymore. That euphoric dreamy feel to it is completely gone , and has been replaced by recycled, unoriginal, uninspired cheesy synths and cheesy vocals. Now it just sounds like standard crapy club music. But I guess that's what happens when a genre becomes mainstream (in some broader sense, it's played in alot of clubs across Europe and even the US now, so I would definetly call it mainstream).
It's Salt Tank and regarding how trance isn't the same anymore I would really challenge that. I mean have you listened to tracks like:
Cern - The Message
Airbase - Escape
Allure - The Love We Lost
Peres & Petersky - Hello Ladies
Benz & MD vs. Ebrius - Sound 84
Double V - Setting Sun
Tilt - New Day (David West Remix)
I think you're looking for trance in all the wrong places. It's still there you just got to filter the garbage out yourself.
Apr-29-2006 05:27
shaolin_Z
Hei Hu Quan
Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Austin, Texas, USA: TXTA #102
quote:
Originally posted by stevieboy32808
It's Salt Tank
Yeah, I know (that was a typo).
quote:
Originally posted by stevieboy32808
and regarding how trance isn't the same anymore I would really challenge that. I mean have you listened to tracks like:
Cern - The Message
Airbase - Escape
Allure - The Love We Lost
Peres & Petersky - Hello Ladies
Benz & MD vs. Ebrius - Sound 84
Double V - Setting Sun
Tilt - New Day (David West Remix)
I think you're looking for trance in all the wrong places. It's still there you just got to filter the garbage out yourself.
Tilt still have some good productions, although the Allure track is just "OK" IMO, doesn't even being to compare to "Allure - No More Tears" and some of the older productions. I think Tijs can't produce or mix for shit anymore, he's too caught up in being "number 1" and appeasing the sonicaly docile masses. He used to be great . I'm also not too fond of Armin or Corsten anymore, eventhough it was these guys (along with Oakey) who got me into trance in the first place.
You misinterpreted what I said. I'm not saying "all trance sucks now," it's just that most of it does, and you have to look really hard to find the good stuff (which isn't terribly different from what you said). I'll try to check out the other tracks you mentioned. Are they on audiojelly by any chance? I still love M.I.K.E. and Yves Derueyter. I can't think of too many other DJ/Producers that still interest me, as far as Trance goes. Lately I've been listenign to tons of Sasha, James Holden, Nick Warren, and Way Out West (who're not really Trance).
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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."-Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller
Apr-29-2006 05:57
stevieboy32808
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Registered: Mar 2005
Location: United States
quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
You misinterpreted what I said. I'm not saying "all trance sucks now," it's just that most of it does, and you have to look really hard to find the good stuff (which isn't terribly different from what you said). I'll try to check out the other tracks you mentioned. Are they on audiojelly by any chance? I still love M.I.K.E. and Yves Derueyter. I can't think of too many other DJ/Producers that still interest me, as far as Trance goes. Lately I've been listenign to tons of Sasha, James Holden, Nick Warren, and Way Out West (who're not really Trance).
I guess I did interpret it the wrong way, my bad. Most of the songs I mentioned can mostly be found on Beatport. I don't know about audiojelly. In regards to M.I.K.E. he recently came out with a track called 'Inside Of Me' under his Sector 7 alias. Personally the original is ok, but the Andrew Bennett remix wins in my book. It may be not your taste based on the artists you pointed out but I think it's a bangin' track. Here's a sample. Yves Deruyter recently came out with a cover of Born Slippy. It's ok, but they could do better than remaking a classic. Well, I'm going to bed now because I'm just plain tired. Goodnight shaolin_z.
Apr-29-2006 07:32
trancaholic
Danish Prophet of Doom
Registered: Oct 2000
Location: Aalborg
quote:
Originally posted by Renegade
I think I'm actually in agreement with Sean Hannity about something:
I'm at a loss for words. Psycho bitch springs to mind, but I'm not sure that term covers cases such as this.
I did start to wonder why on Earth H&C had asked this woman to participate? It's not a very constructive conversation - one can hardly call it an interview. Just an overlapping sequence of abuse (some of it justified some of it insane).
But yet another reason for atheists to be angry.
Apr-29-2006 07:53
shaolin_Z
Hei Hu Quan
Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Austin, Texas, USA: TXTA #102
^^ What I find more interesting is how equally hateful ppl who're accepting of homosexuality and ppl who disapprove of it are towards each other (in an overwhelming majority of cases, I'd say 99%).
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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."-Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller
Apr-29-2006 08:01
trancaholic
Danish Prophet of Doom
Registered: Oct 2000
Location: Aalborg
I thought some of these one-liners were great fun:
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WASHINGTON A blistering comedy “tribute” to President Bush by Comedy Central’s faux talk show host Stephen Colbert at the White House Correspondent Dinner Saturday night left George and Laura Bush unsmiling at its close.
Earlier, the president had delivered his talk to the 2700 attendees, including many celebrities and top officials, with the help of a Bush impersonator.
Colbert, who spoke in the guise of his talk show character, who ostensibly supports the president strongly, urged the Bush to ignore his low approval ratings, saying they were based on reality, “and reality has a well-known liberal bias.”
He attacked those in the press who claim that the shake-up at the White House was merely re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. “This administration is soaring, not sinking,” he said. “If anything, they are re-arranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg.”
Colbert told Bush he could end the problem of protests by retired generals by refusing to let them retire. He compared Bush to Rocky Balboa in the “Rocky” movies, always getting punched in the face—“and Apollo Creed is everything else in the world.”
Turning to the war, he declared, "I believe that the government that governs best is a government that governs least, and by these standards we have set up a fabulous government in Iraq."
He noted former Ambassador Joseph Wilson in the crowd, just three tables away from Karl Rove, and that he had brought " Valerie Plame." Then, worried that he had named her, he corrected himself, as Bush aides might do, "Uh, I mean... he brought Joseph Wilson's wife." He might have "dodged the bullet," he said, as prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald wasn't there.
Colbert also made biting cracks about missing WMDs, “photo ops” on aircraft carriers and at hurricane disasters, melting glaciers and Vice President Cheney shooting people in the face. He advised the crowd, "if anybody needs anything at their tables, speak slowly and clearly on into your table numbers and somebody from the N.S.A. will be right over with a cocktail. "
Observing that Bush sticks to his principles, he said, "When the president decides something on Monday, he still believes it on Wednesday - no matter what happened Tuesday."
Also lampooning the press, Colbert complained that he was “surrounded by the liberal media who are destroying this country, except for Fox News. Fox believes in presenting both sides of the story — the president’s side and the vice president’s side." He also reflected on the alleged good old days, when the media was still swallowing the WMD story.
Addressing the reporters, he said, "Let's review the rules. Here's how it works. The president makes decisions, he’s the decider. The press secretary announces those decisions, and you people of the press type those decisions down. Make, announce, type. Put them through a spell check and go home. Get to know your family again. Make love to your wife. Write that novel you got kicking around in your head. You know, the one about the intrepid Washington reporter with the courage to stand up to the administration. You know--fiction."
He claimed that the Secret Service name for Bush's new press secretary is "Snow Job."
Colbert closed his routine with a video fantasy where he gets to be White House Press Secretary, complete with a special “Gannon” button on his podium. By the end, he had to run from Helen Thomas and her questions about why the U.S. really invaded Iraq and killed all those people.
As Colbert walked from the podium, when it was over, the president and First Lady gave him quick nods, unsmiling, and handshakes, and left immediately.
Those seated near Bush told E&P's Joe Strupp, who was elsewhere in the room, that Bush quickly turned from an amused guest to an obviously offended target as Colbert’s comments brought up his low approval ratings and problems in Iraq.
Several veterans of past dinners, who requested anonymity, said the presentation was more directed at attacking the president than in the past. Several said previous hosts, like Jay Leno, equally slammed both the White House and the press corps.
“This was anti-Bush,” said one attendee. “Usually they go back and forth between us and him.” Another noted that Bush quickly turned unhappy, and left the dais shortly after while most seated near him, including Colbert and Snow, glad-handed the crowd. “You could see he stopped smiling about halfway through Colbert,” he reported.
After the gathering, Snow, while nursing a Heineken outside the Chicago Tribune reception, declined to comment on Colbert. “I’m not doing entertainment reviews,” he said. “I thought the president was great, though.”
Strupp, in the crowd during the Colbert routine, had observed that quite a few sitting near him looked a little uncomfortable at times, perhaps feeling the material was a little too biting--or too much speaking "truthiness" to power.
Asked by E&P after it was over if he thought he'd been too harsh, Colbert said, "Not at all." Was he trying to make a point politically or just get laughs? "Just for laughs," he said. He said he did not pull any material for being too strong, just for time reasons. (He later said the president told him "good job" when he walked off.)
Helen Thomas told Strupp her segment with Colbert was "just for fun."
In its report on the affair, USA Today asserted that some in the crowd cracked up over Colbert but others were "bewildered." Wolf Blitzer of CNN said he thought Colbert was funny and "a little on the edge."
Earlier, the president had addrssed the crowd with a Bush impersonator alongside, with the faux-Bush speaking precisely and the real Bush deliberately mispronouncing words, such as the inevitable "nuclear." At the close, Bush called the imposter "a fine talent. In fact, he did all my debates with Senator Kerry."
Among attendees at the black tie event: Morgan Fairchild, quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, Justice Antonin Scalia, George Clooney, and Jeff "Skunk" Baxter of the Doobie Brothers--in a kilt.