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LazFX
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quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
this might offend some of you and i appologize in advance, but crap this is funny.



I lol'd at the Death to America Cup. lol

Repost I know.... but Kat makes me laugh my ass off.....



and its true!! ha ha

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Trancer-X
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I've maintained a casual interested in Area 51 for many years now and for a little while I had been loosely following the investigative work of Nevada resident and self-proclaimed military watchdog, Chuck Clark. He was apparently getting too close for the likes of my government so they decided to take the matter into their own hands by bringing up formal charges against him.

I haven't heard anything about him for some time now and I hope that the he's okay.

Here's a few quick articles cataloging a course of events during which time he was harrassed into submission by the US legal system:


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George Knapp, I-Team Exclusive
What’s the Joint Terrorism Task Force Doing in the Tiny Town of Rachel?

(June 20) -- FBI agents have confirmed that a search warrant was served Thursday night on the home of a self-described military watchdog in the tiny town of Rachel, near the mysterious Area 51 military base.

Eyewitness News has learned this action was initiated by the Joint Terrorism Task Force. The search warrant remains sealed and the FBI won’t say what was seized from the home of Rachel resident Chuck Clark. It's believed the action was taken because Chuck Clark escorted the I-Team on a tour of the roads surrounding the base. During the visit, he showed us the location of military sensors, hidden on public land. Here's our story.

Retired astronomer and desert rat Chuck Clark has a new hobby. He's prowled the hills and deserts of Lincoln County for several years now, has photographed exotic aircraft in the skies, and keeps an eye on the top secret base known as Area 51. He's even written a book about the place. Over the past few months, he's discovered that the military has been installing secret sensor devices on public lands surrounding the base. Using a frequency counter device, he can tell when his vehicle trips a sensor. When that happens, he looks for the hard-to-spot wire atop the device, and then he digs them up, takes pictures, and puts them back.

Clark isn’t a terrorist or spy but is angered that hikers, four wheelers, or photographers are being monitored by the military on public land, miles from the boundary of the base, which is clearly marked by signs.

Chuck Clark says, “It's overkill in my opinion. They have a 25-mile buffer zone around the base. Why they have to put stuff outside the line really escapes me.”

During the I-Team visit last week, two sensors were located and base security wrote down the plate numbers of our vehicles.

We returned five days ago and drove to the rear entrance of Area 51.

Two days later, FBI agents, working with Air Force intelligence and the Joint Terrorism Task Force , raided Clark’s home and seized photos, records and his computer. Is it legal for anyone to touch military sensors hidden on public land? The government doesn’t think so, although Clark hasn’t been charged with anything, is the military trying to silence this outback gadfly?

"They’re paranoid about this location and I don’t see why" said Clark.

We asked the BLM if it's legal for the military to put sensing devices out on public land but a spokesman couldn’t answer our question. Law enforcement sources say that by handling the sensors, the devices are disabled. So it amounts to destruction of government property. As we mentioned, Clark hasn’t been charged. He was out of the state when the warrant was served. Our investigation of the issues involved will continue.

http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story...58&nav=168XGVQf



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Area 51 hackers dig up trouble
Kevin Poulsen, SecurityFocus 2004-05-25

To the Area 51 buffs who travel to the Nevada desert in the hopes of catching a glimpse of unexplained lights in the sky or to bask in the mythic allure of the region, 58-year-old Chuck Clark is almost as much a part of the local color as the Black Mailbox.
A resident of tiny Rachel, Nevada -- 100 miles north of Las Vegas along the Extraterrestrial Highway -- the amateur astronomer and author has spent years keeping an eye on the spot the government calls the "operating location near Groom Lake, Nevada." He's said to be a frequent presence at the Little A'Le'Inn, where you can purchase post cards and tee shirts, enjoy an "Alien Burger," and walk out with a copy of Clark's "Area 51 & S-4 Handbook" to guide you on your journey into the desert.

But this self-appointed military watchdog is harder to find these days: messages left for him at the Inn go unreturned, and his media appearances have dried up like Groom Lake itself. "I think he's really not as motivated to talk to the media anymore as he used to be," says friend and fellow base-watcher Joerg Arnu. The reason: it turns out the truth really was out there, and the government didn't appreciate Clark digging it up.

Clark didn't find the Roswell craft or an alien autopsy room -- in fact, while officially shrouded in secrecy, the 50-year-old base is generally believed to be dedicated to the terrestrial mission of testing classified aircraft. "The U2 spy plane, the SR-71, the F-117A stealth fighter, all were flight-tested out of the Groom Lake facility," says Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy. The myth of Area 51 memorialized in films, T.V. shows and novels is a function of the secrecy that surrounds it. "It is a concrete manifestation of official secrecy at its most intense, and that invites a mixture of paranoia and speculative fantasy that has become ingrained in popular culture," says Aftergood.

Even without aliens, the facility has its secrets, and last year while roaming the desert outside the Groom Lake base Clark stumbled upon one of them: an electronic device packed in a rugged case and buried in the dirt. Marked "U.S. Government Property," the device turned out to be a wireless transmitter, connected by an underground cable to a sensor buried nearby next to one of the unpaved roads that vein the public land surrounding the base. Together, the units act as a surveillance system, warning someone -- somewhere -- whenever a vehicle drives down that stretch of road.

Similar devices had been spotted in the area in the early 90s, but they were crude and bulky, stashed in the bushes and easily spotted. They were later withdrawn. The new road sensors are more clandestine, given away only by a slender antenna poking up through the dirt. "They're very, very hard to find, because there's just this little wire, like a blade of grass," says Arnu.

Sniffing Out Surveillance
Arnu, a Las Vegas software engineer, has shared Clark's preoccupation with the Groom Lake base since 1999, when he made a trip to the area to see what all the fuss was about. "I thought, okay, I'll give it a try, see what's out there... A couple of days turned into a couple of weeks and before I knew it I started developing a website about Area 51," says Arnu.

So when Clark found the new generation of road sensor, Arnu drove out to help investigate further. The pair found that, at close range, they could use a handheld frequency counter to pick up the wireless signals given off by the devices as a car passes. Over the following month and half, Clark and Arnu engaged in a kind of geocaching game with the Men in Black, systematically sniffing out the road sensors with the frequency counter, exhuming them, and opening them up. They discovered that each device was coded with three-digit identifier that could be read off an internal dial, allowing Arnu to make a list that correlated each unit's I.D. number with its GPS coordinates, creating a virtual map of a portion of the surveillance network surrounding the Groom Lake facility. Some of the sensors were miles away from the base.

"We dug up about 30 or 40 of them on various access roads leading to the base on public land," Arnu says, insisting that he and Clark always carefully reburied each unit after logging it, and even tested it with the frequency counter to make sure it was still working before moving on to the next one.

Based on their survey, Clark and Arnu have estimated that there are between 75 and 100 sensors, on public land used by hikers and photographers in addition to curiosity seekers. "I think it is absolutely inappropriate," says Arnu. "You have to understand that people going out there-- not everybody is interested in Area 51... They track these tourists on public land going about their hobby."

When they'd gathered sufficient evidence that the Air Force was bugging the desert, Arnu and Clark revealed the road sensors on Arnu's website, Dreamland Resort, a forum and information site for Area 51 aficionados and the "Official Home Page of the world-famous Little A'Le'Inn." The reaction from the government was immediate, according to Arnu: the road sensors were fitted with a new feature aimed at better eluding detection. Now the transmitters would wait a minute or two before broadcasting an alarm, so that desert wardrivers are out of range before the transmission takes place -- at least, using relatively insensitive detection equipment like a frequency counter.

Undeterred by the innovation, in June of last year Clark led a news crew from Las Vegas' KLAS television station into the desert and showed them some of the road sensors.

The following week, according to the station's report, FBI and Air Force agents raided Clark's trailer home in Rachel, and carted off his computer, photographs and records. The next day, Arnu got a call at work from the FBI. "They demanded that I speak with them the very same day," he says.

The Case of the Missing Sensor
The investigation sparked something of a backlash in Nevada. The Las Vegas Review Journal editorialized against the FBI's tactics. In the Las Vegas Mercury, George Knapp, the newsman who filmed the KLAS segment, asked how far the government should be allowed to go in protecting the secret base. "If you or I accidentally kick one of these hidden transmitters, should the feds be able to seize our Macintosh and photos of Aunt Betty?" Arnu describes the probe as an intimidation tactic. "It didn't lead anywhere," says Arnu. "It was basically a dead-end from the beginning because we didn't break any law... We dug [the sensors] up without damaging them or destroying them."

But court documents unsealed earlier this year reveal that there was an unsolved mystery lurking around Groom Lake. It seems that a month prior to the raid, one of the road sensors went missing-- vanished, like an abductee pulled into a flying saucer.

The government didn't charge anyone with stealing U.S. property, but last December they charged Clark with a single count of interfering with a communications system used for the national defense. On March 12th, 2003 Clark allegedly obstructed, hindered and delayed "a signal from a mini intrusion device" located outside "the Nevada Test and Training Range" -- a reference to the government land that encompasses the Groom Lake site.

"He removed one," says Natalie Collins, a spokesperson for the U.S. Attorney's Office in Las Vegas. "It says that there, so it's fine for me to confirm that."

In a deal quietly reached with prosecutors last January, Clark agreed to "either locate and return the sensor removed on March 12, 2003 or pay restitution to the United States Air Force to replace the missing sensor." In exchange, the government agreed to suspend proceedings against Clark and to place him on a kind of probation called "pretrial diversion": if Clark goes a year without interfering with any of the road sensors, and doesn't otherwise break the law, the government will drop the felony charge.

Clark's phone number is unlisted, and he didn't respond to repeated messages left for him at the Little A'Le'Inn over the course of several months, and inquiries passed through Arnu. Clark's attorney also declined to return repeated phone calls on the case.

Arnu says his friend never told him about a missing sensor, or his agreement to return it. "I refuse to believe that Chuck would be stupid enough to remove one," says Arnu. "I know... that he agreed to lay low for a year." Clark's adventures near the most famously secret patch of real estate in the world appear to have pulled him beneath the very cloak of secrecy he poked and scratched at for so many years. He has, in a sense, become a part of Area 51.

http://www.securityfocus.com/news/8768



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Clear skies for Area 51 hacker
Kevin Poulsen, SecurityFocus 2005-01-27

Federal prosecutors formally dropped charges this month against an amateur astronomer who exposed a buried surveillance network surrounding the Air Force's mysterious "Area 51" air base in Nevada.
Chuck Clark, 58, was charged in 2003 with a single count of malicious interference with a communications system used for the national defense, after prosecutors held him responsible for the disappearance of one of the wireless motion sensors buried beneath the desert land surrounding the facility.

In a deal with the government last January, Clark agreed to enter a one-year term of "pretrial diversion" -- a kind of probation -- and to either locate and return the lost device, or make financial restitution to the Air Force. "He paid for the missing sensor, and complied with the conditions of his pretrial diversion and the case was dismissed," says Natalie Collins, a spokesperson for the U.S. Attorney's Office in Las Vegas.

Clark was already known to Area 51 buffs as an expert on the spot the government calls the "operating location near Groom Lake, Nevada," when, in 2003, he discovered an electronic device packed in a rugged case and buried in the desert, given away only by a slender wisp of an antenna poking through the dirt.

Along with fellow base-watcher Joerg Arnu, Clark began mapping the sensors, using a handheld frequency counter to sniff out their tell-tale radio transmissions, Arnu said in an interview last year. Together they exhumed as many as 40 of the boxes, noted their unique three-digit codes, then reburied and tested them, said Arnu.

The sensors -- an estimated 75 to 100 of them in all -- were marked "U.S. Government Property." In some cases they were planted miles outside Groom Lake's fence line on public land used by hikers and photographers, as well as the occasional tourist hoping for a Close Encounter.

On March 12th, 2003 one of the sensors went missing, according to the government. FBI and Air Force agents descended on Clark's trailer home in tiny Rachel, Nevada -- 100 miles north of Las Vegas along the Extraterrestrial Highway -- and prosecutors later filed the felony charge against Clark. As part of the deal settling the case, Clark was barred from interfering with any of the sensors or otherwise breaking the law, and was obligated to keep the court apprised of his whereabouts during his year of supervision.

Shrouded in official secrecy, the Groom Lake facility has become a cultural touchstone for UFO mythology. But the base is generally believed to be dedicated to the more terrestrial mission of testing classified aircraft.

Clark's emancipation from government scrutiny comes well in time for Area 51's unofficial 50th anniversary campout, planned for Memorial Day weekend, and likely to draw tourists, UFOlogists, and exotic aircraft buffs from all over. They'll celebrate with "a campfire with live music" outside the base's main gate, according to the event website. "Be sure to respect the Area 51 boundaries," the site suggests. "If you see the warning signs you have gone too far."

http://www.securityfocus.com/news/10373

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He's called "Chuck Clark"

That's all I need to know!

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quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
He's called "Chuck Clark"

That's all I need to know!


LOL

You guys close your minds for the weirdest reasons.

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LOL

You guys close your minds for the weirdest reasons.

Not really. The vast majority of the time I close my mind to things like this because I'm a rational and intelligent young man

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quote:
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Not really. The vast majority of the time I close my mind to things like this because I'm a rational and intelligent young man


It sounds like you've been conditioned to think that you're thinking while in fact you're really not.

That doesn't sound very rational and intelligent to me. Quite the opposite, really.

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quote:
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Not really. The vast majority of the time I close my mind to things like this because I'm a rational and intelligent young man


isn't it funny how quick trancer brings out the put-downs when someone doesn't agree with him. fuck, he's such a whining hypocrite.


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isn't it funny how quick trancer brings out the put-downs when someone doesn't agree with him. fuck, he's such a whining hypocrite.


Or perhaps the meaning of "chill" is lost on him??? I mean he does have to lower his "level" to even get a point across to us common folk

but then again he lists his city as Shambhala what a joke....you have to check that ego first before thinking you are ready to go there, Ego poisons Karma and we all know how much of a wonderful Ego this poor delusional lad has....

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I recently discovered a new way to get off work early, yesterday. I was talking to a DSL customer on the line who was a total fucking retard, couldn't even operate a keyboard or mouse properly... she wanted to reset the username and password in the firmware for the modem/router, and took 15 minutes just to type in her fucking username. I literally described how a keyboard works, a mouse, what a cursor is, how to freaking TYPE, at least 20 times over, and she kept typing the wrong things in over and over again! Apparently I got so frustrated (and totally pissed by this point), I punched my cubical wall... it's not like I was planning on doing that. Anyways, everyone in the office freaked out apparently, since all they heard was a loud thud, and two of the supervisors came running in my general direction. I got sent home 1 hr and 30 mins before my shift was over. Moral of the story, if you want to leave, punch your fucking cubical wall, but do it sparingly. I guess I had a psuedo office space moment yesterday "yeah... why don't you take the rest of the day off today... ok?" [lumberg tone]. My team leader is going to buy me a stress ball apparently .


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Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
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Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Heh, I've recently discovered quite an amusing little hobby. What I do is ring up American company's tech support lines and pretend to be completely computer illiterate and piss myself laughing the more frustrated they get! I have literally hours of fun! Like yesterday, I rang this company up and just for an added laugh, I pretended to be a woman! The guy on the phone was so dumb I managed to get him to spend 15 minutes teaching me how to type my name! Can you believe that?! 15 minutes! I even convinced him I didn't know how keyboards or mice (mouses?) work! It was so funny I actually think he started punching his wall! Ah I love Americans!

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lol @ shaolin and smiley!


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quote:
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Heh, I've recently discovered quite an amusing little hobby. What I do is ring up American company's tech support lines and pretend to be completely computer illiterate and piss myself laughing the more frustrated they get! I have literally hours of fun! Like yesterday, I rang this company up and just for an added laugh, I pretended to be a woman! The guy on the phone was so dumb I managed to get him to spend 15 minutes teaching me how to type my name! Can you believe that?! 15 minutes! I even convinced him I didn't know how keyboards or mice (mouses?) work! It was so funny I actually think he started punching his wall! Ah I love Americans!

That wasn't very nice of you grandma44... you owe me a stress ball, and a cubical wall .


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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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