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Dj Nacht
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Touching The Void

This somewhat old movie/documentary comes highly recommended by me.

The story is so freaking insane that its hard to believe that its based on real events told by the 2 mountain climbers themselves.


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Capitalizt
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Saw "Paul" at the theater. Good lighthearted sci-fi comedy like Men in Black. The Shawn of the Dead guys were good and whoever did the alien voice was great...lots of lulz.

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WittyHandle
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quote:
Originally posted by GoSpeedGo!


I'll mull that over. Thanks for giving it some explanation. I was looking for a reason for the title.

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Nacht
Touching The Void

This somewhat old movie/documentary comes highly recommended by me.

The story is so freaking insane that its hard to believe that its based on real events told by the 2 mountain climbers themselves.


Pretty crazy story. I wouldn't call it old really, it came out in '04, and doesn't look dated. Unbelievable what they went through. I would've looked for the first cliff I could've dived off of if I was in that situation.

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GoSpeedGo!
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Registered: May 2006
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quote:
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I'll mull that over. Thanks for giving it some explanation. I was looking for a reason for the title.


Those Baby Doll "dances" (action scenes) are literally distractions, both in a narrative sense and for the viewers.

There really is a massive misunderstanding of the movie going on, and I think it's partly Snyder's fault, too, some of the messages the movie is trying to send are conflicting. But the concept itself is imo unique and it's hilarious to watch reactions of all those people (especially nerdy teenagers) who didn't get what they were promised.

It's a bit sad that Snyder apparently had to compromise a lot to actually sell this movie, so that there isn't anything that really drives the satirical point home, and many are going to miss it.

From interview with Snyder:



quote:
The film has gotten that interesting type of polarizing reaction.

It has. For me, I honestly think with Sucker Punch Ė itís weird. I feel like people either see it two ways: completely in the overt version as exactly what they see, which is just this girl going crazy and then going on this adventure for no reason. That version of the movie that people see is as a super straightforward movie. Or people see it as a crazy, sort of, commentary on genre films and what is sexuality and why the girls are dressed like that. I think thatís also valid, because thatís what the movie is.

Would you say the film is a critique on geek cultureís sexism?

It is, absolutely. I find it interesting, in a lot of ways, that this movie Ė of all the movies Iíve made Ė has been universally hated by fanboys, which I find really interesting. Itís like a fanboy indictment, in some ways. They canít have fun with the geek culture sexual hang ups.

I thought it was basically you commenting on those attendants at Comic-Con who shout, ďYouíre hot!Ē at beautiful cast members.

Yeah! 100%. They donít know how to be around it. Itís funny because someone one asked me about why I dressed the girls like that, and I said, ďDo you not get the metaphor there? The girls are in a brothel performing for men in the dark. In the fantasy sequences, the men in the dark are us. The men in the dark are basically me; dorky sci-fi kids.Ē


http://antcomic.com/blog/?p=30410

There is also his description of the ending the film was originally supposed to have, but didn't end up there because people who saw it didn't know what to make of it. I thought it sounded brilliant.

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WittyHandle
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The thing is, do you think many people have a chance of figuring out what it is supposed to be about given what was in the final product?

Edit: just read the link and it helped to explain a bit. I'll check the director's cut when it comes out.

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quote:
Originally posted by GoSpeedGo!
Those Baby Doll "dances" (action scenes) are literally distractions, both in a narrative sense and for the viewers.

There really is a massive misunderstanding of the movie going on, and I think it's partly Snyder's fault, too, some of the messages the movie is trying to send are conflicting. But the concept itself is imo unique and it's hilarious to watch reactions of all those people (especially nerdy teenagers) who didn't get what they were promised.

It's a bit sad that Snyder apparently had to compromise a lot to actually sell this movie, so that there isn't anything that really drives the satirical point home, and many are going to miss it.

From interview with Snyder:





http://antcomic.com/blog/?p=30410

There is also his description of the ending the film was originally supposed to have, but didn't end up there because people who saw it didn't know what to make of it. I thought it sounded brilliant.


whatever zach snyder said i figured that was his focus just by looking at the trailers. i'll probably watch it when i have some free time, but i do have very low expectations on the movie with a lot more meaning than just a bunch of chics kicking ass.


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GoSpeedGo!
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quote:
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...but i do have very low expectations on the movie with a lot more meaning than just a bunch of chics kicking ass.


It's always a bit confusing to me when someone says something like that. Do folks seriously think that someone spends a few years and 80 million $$$ creating a movie with three distinct realities - an insane asylum, a brothel, and those full-on dream sequences - just because they think it looks cool? Like, there's no other reason for that at all?

The fact that most people watch films at face value is another thing, especially when it comes to these seemingly mindless movies. But that just confirms, how is everyone still very much susceptible to propaganda, even though they think they're media-savvy because they're exposed to so much of it. People can't figure out what they're really being told, especially if it's disguised as something else entirely.

This is also what this movie, or maybe reactions to it, shows. I admit that for these reasons it is more interesting on a meta level than in and of itself, but very interesting nonetheless.

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Halcyon+On+On
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quote:
Originally posted by GoSpeedGo!
Do folks seriously think that someone spends a few years and 80 million $$$ creating a movie with three distinct realities - an insane asylum, a brothel, and those full-on dream sequences - just because they think it looks cool? Like, there's no other reason for that at all?


Don't be naive. A studio with that kind of cash greenlit the movie because the advertising campaign was destined to be filled with attractive visuals. It was not made because it was a chance for the director to deliver a sucker-punch of irony! do-ho!

It lulled people into paying to see it by the promise of such attractions, wherein the director can backpedal his way into justifying some sort of idiotic subtext. It's not an ironic take on 'the industry', and it didn't even try to be - just because Snyder can fucking retcon his way into sounding pretentious at best doesn't mean he achieved even a straw of respect he's grasping at.

He took a shit just to get rid of the piss smell.


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GoSpeedGo!
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Don't be naive. A studio with that kind of cash greenlit the movie because the advertising campaign was destined to be filled with attractive visuals. It was not made because it was a chance for the director to deliver a sucker-punch of irony! do-ho!

It lulled people into paying to see it by the promise of such attractions, wherein the director can backpedal his way into justifying some sort of idiotic subtext. It's not an ironic take on 'the industry', and it didn't even try to be - just because Snyder can fucking retcon his way into sounding pretentious at best doesn't mean he achieved even a straw of respect he's grasping at.

He took a shit just to get rid of the piss smell.


Have you even seen the movie? The metaphor is clearly there regardless of authorial intent.

Snyder's explanation doesn't have to be honest for the subtext to be there anyway, it just exists as a supporting argument to that interpretation.

e: I still think that you give Snyder not enough credit, just saying that his true intention (we can't really know it) isn't really important with regards to what the final product ended up being.

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LAdazeNYnights
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I watched The Man Who Wasn't There last night. Somebody recommended it a while ago in the thread. I can't remember who. I really enjoyed it, and now have yet another reason to love the Coen brothers. Notably, this was the only movie that I've ever enjoyed Scarlett Johansson in. I generally find her "acting" to be nauseating, but that wasn't the case here. Gandolfini and Thorton were both exceptional.

One thing that I didn't quite get: I read Ebert's review of the movie and he related how a prominent french critic had called it "a 90 minute movie that ran for 2 hours." I don't quite understand this comment, as the movie ran close to 1:48. Was he suggesting that the movie was 90 minutes long and felt like it was 2 hours because of the slow pacing? Or did he mean that the pacing was so slow that what was a 2 hour movie should have been cut down to 90 minutes?

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EgosXII
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quote:
Originally posted by GoSpeedGo!
It's always a bit confusing to me when someone says something like that. Do folks seriously think that someone spends a few years and 80 million $$$ creating a movie with three distinct realities - an insane asylum, a brothel, and those full-on dream sequences - just because they think it looks cool? Like, there's no other reason for that at all?

The fact that most people watch films at face value is another thing, especially when it comes to these seemingly mindless movies. But that just confirms, how is everyone still very much susceptible to propaganda, even though they think they're media-savvy because they're exposed to so much of it. People can't figure out what they're really being told, especially if it's disguised as something else entirely.

This is also what this movie, or maybe reactions to it, shows. I admit that for these reasons it is more interesting on a meta level than in and of itself, but very interesting nonetheless.


you MIGHT be right in this case, but as hal said, you're extremely naive if you really think every action movie has a heart of gold which most people just 'don't get'.... transformers 2: was that meant to be an ironic comentary on how shit film is? No, it was a fucking useless, shit film which the studio KNEW it would make money off, because people like to see senseless trash.


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GoSpeedGo!
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quote:
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you MIGHT be right in this case, but as hal said, you're extremely naive if you really think every action movie has a heart of gold which most people just 'don't get'.... transformers 2: was that meant to be an ironic comentary on how shit film is? No, it was a fucking useless, shit film which the studio KNEW it would make money off, because people like to see senseless trash.


That's not what I was talking about.

I'm talking about approaching movies with an open mind. So many people think that Snyder, for example, is a dumb bro who has no clue and is like "lol slow-mo and hot chicks r cool", and this clouds their judgement every time they see a new film from him. Or worse, they know for sure the movie is bad just from watching the trailers.

That's anti-intellectualism.

I haven't seen Transformers 2, only have heard of some of its problems (racism, apparently?), but I'm pretty sure it's not as simple as you're trying to describe.

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