Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights
I agree, and there were a few small things I didn't really like - the idea that the one brother, who had deserted the marines (yet was still lauded as a war hero), was going to be taken into custody by the government after the fight so a few marines showed up to guard him in his locker room or something. They showed them for 30 seconds and to make it seem as though they were making sure he didn't flee but then the next time or 2 that you see him in his locker room they are no longer there. In fact, there's no mention of that 35 second subplot ever again. There were quite a few ideas like that (major ideas) that presented themselves and then failed to play out on any substantial level.
I also thought the imdb praise to be kinda odd (I rated it a 6) but I would recommend it to a friend. Especially if that friend were in a fraternity. rofl.
the whole plot was terrible; that bit especially hahaha--- How fucking retarded is half the stadium being filled with marines all of a sudden when they find out, less than a day before, that one marine is in the competition...
The acting overall was pretty good though: Nick Nolte was pretty good I thought...
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
techno is like edm, just with all the good bits taken out.
hahaha
"we've been waiting for this event for 12 weeks now, nonstop tv coverage on espn, etc. Thank god people found out the night before that the one guy is a war hero--we finally managed to fill that entire empty quadrant of the arena because of him !!!"
nolte was good, i agree. as for the two brothers - i think the older one was pretty good in the role. the younger brother played it in such a one-dimensional way.
another funny point - the "oh shit is he addicted to painkillers/steroids/antidepressants???" subplot that existed for all of 10 seconds.
Jan-26-2012 04:33
EgosXII
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Location: Melbourne
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Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights
hahaha
"we've been waiting for this event for 12 weeks now, nonstop tv coverage on espn, etc. Thank god people found out the night before that the one guy is a war hero--we finally managed to fill that entire empty quadrant of the arena because of him !!!"
nolte was good, i agree. as for the two brothers - i think the older one was pretty good in the role. the younger brother played it in such a one-dimensional way.
another funny point - the "oh shit is he addicted to painkillers/steroids/antidepressants???" subplot that existed for all of 10 seconds.
Hahaha exactly! organisers behind the scenes: "wow, some random guy in the military said this fighter is a war-hero! Lets take back half the stadium's tickets and re-sell them ONLY to marines! Also, the remaining half of the stadium (who must nearly all be women) must wear camo tank-tops, or else!"
god that drugs one was hilarious you're right. The dad just goes "gimme them pills, omg you got so many, I'm taking them", then that's solved
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
techno is like edm, just with all the good bits taken out.
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Originally posted by EgosXII
I can't think of one hollywood action film which has any moral or artistic value
Really? I can think of plenty (Bourne trilogy comes to mind but there's a lot more).
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You always rage on about films "intentions": This film, more than any I've seen you defend met and exceeded the intentions. I don't think it was ever aiming to be anything deep or intelligent; it was aiming to draw emotions and 'increase testosterone' levels, and I think it nailed that perfectly
You got it mixed up again - I'm talking about what's actually in the film (the text), not what it was supposed to say. Ironically, you're the one preoccupied with "what the film was aiming to be" as if there was some unquestionable artistic intention, even though you don't directly personalize it.
It seems to me that instead of actually trying to interpret the film, you rely on prejudices and popular half-truths like "Hollywood films have no meaning ever". Look, no film exists in a vacuum. Even if the artist says "I'm going to do something utterly mindless" there will still be meaning and subtext - partly because he doesn't have full control of his subconscious so a lot of "meaning" is completely accidental, but that doesn't invalidate its existence.
Fighting dramas are often also social dramas so obviously I'm going to be interested in how it deals with this subtext. The problem I have here is that Warrior uses the impending foreclosure to motivate the character's decision to go fighting again and then it is completely marginalized as soon as the family problems are introduced. At the end, every one is carried away by the intense fights so they forget there was that trouble with the mortgage. It implies that everything's fine, it stopped being important, and we shouldn't care about it either. It also isn't good storytelling, which is art in and of itself.
Jan-26-2012 08:53
EgosXII
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Registered: Apr 2007
Location: Melbourne
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Originally posted by GoSpeedGo!
Really? I can think of plenty (Bourne trilogy comes to mind but there's a lot more).
You got it mixed up again - I'm talking about what's actually in the film (the text), not what it was supposed to say. Ironically, you're the one preoccupied with "what the film was aiming to be" as if there was some unquestionable artistic intention, even though you don't directly personalize it.
It seems to me that instead of actually trying to interpret the film, you rely on prejudices and popular half-truths like "Hollywood films have no meaning ever". Look, no film exists in a vacuum. Even if the artist says "I'm going to do something utterly mindless" there will still be meaning and subtext - partly because he doesn't have full control of his subconscious so a lot of "meaning" is completely accidental, but that doesn't invalidate its existence.
Fighting dramas are often also social dramas so obviously I'm going to be interested in how it deals with this subtext. The problem I have here is that Warrior uses the impending foreclosure to motivate the character's decision to go fighting again and then it is completely marginalized as soon as the family problems are introduced. At the end, every one is carried away by the intense fights so they forget there was that trouble with the mortgage. It implies that everything's fine, it stopped being important, and we shouldn't care about it either. It also isn't good storytelling, which is art in and of itself.
So does the creator, or the viewer create meaning in a film?
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
techno is like edm, just with all the good bits taken out.
Just got finished watching Butterfly Effect 3. Kind of a crazy flick but if you've seen the first two you've got to see this one. Of course both the second and third will never be as good as the first, but this one fits right in. Check it out!!
I'm pretty sure I would hate 90% of movies mentioned in this thread. In general, if film fags feel the urge to write about a movie, it's probably pretty gay.
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Jan-26-2012 23:16
LAdazeNYnights
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Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Originally posted by EgosXII
so no human has any access to it, or control over it?
i was really just trying to sound stupid
but i guess you could say there are 3 different worlds around a film : world of the creator, world of the film, world of the audience.
p.s. srussell is a foggot
Jan-26-2012 23:28
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Let's all touch each other while discussing how movies make us feel.
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Jan-26-2012 23:29
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OLOLOOo 2 KEWL 4 U!!!
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