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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Copyright is natural in any country that has signed the Berne Convention. Any works created by a person is naturally copyrighted by the shear fact that they created them. You are thinking of trademark, which has to be registered and protected in any country that you want to use it for you to lay claim to it.

Really? You're seriously trying to correct me on this subject?

Although you don't have to register to own a copyright in a work that you create, you do (if you're American) have to register with the Copyright Office in order to file an infringement suit:

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[N]o civil action for infringement of the copyright in any United States work shall be instituted until preregistration or registration of the copyright claim has been made in accordance with this title.

17 U.S.C. § 411(a).

Even for non U.S. works, registration is required in order for statutory damages to be available as a remedy. See 17 U.S.C. § 412.

Maybe the law is different in Nou's parents' basement. Let's not jump to the conclusion that he was just talking out of his ass and literally has no idea about the validity (or lack thereof) of what he's talking about.


Nou:

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Originally posted by Meat187 Why is the hippie solution for everything a new law? It's not the government's job to protect attention whores from being stupid.

God damn hippies and their laws protecting the stupid! If someone's stupid enough to share a road with a drunk driver, it's their fault if they get killed! If someone's stupid enough not to prevent a robbery with intelligence and wit, and have all their valuable goods stolen because they didn't keep everything in a safe-house, so much the worse for them!

If this woman doesn't know how to keep her head inside the bus, her problem - no one should sue to bus company, the driver or, for that matter, her neck:



And, in a heartwarming finale, I hope I could show your argument is as invalid as this kid:



This picture is so cute though, even with Germans in it

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Originally posted by Arbiter Really? You're seriously trying to correct me on this subject? Although you don't have to register to own a copyright in a work that you create, you do (if you're American) have to register with the Copyright Office in order to file an infringement suit: 17 U.S.C. § 411(a). Even for non U.S. works, registration is required in order for statutory damages to be available as a remedy. See 17 U.S.C. § 412.

Yes, because the way you stated it made an implication that you would have to register copyright to protect it and that no protection existed before registration. Besides, you left out the most important part of 411(a) which says that registration is only an issue when it doesn't fall under 106A(a), which it clearly does.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Really? You're seriously trying to correct me on this subject?

I have to admit this is one of the things I like about Nou: It doesn't matter if you're in law school, or if I'm a PhD candidate in linguistics, if he thinks he's right he's going to criticise us in our own fields of expertise until we can make our points really clear (though, sometimes, not even then ). That's definitely a good thing in society.

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Originally posted by Lira I have to admit this is one of the things I like about Nou: It doesn't matter if you're in law school, or if I'm a PhD candidate in linguistics, if he thinks he's right he's going to criticise us in our own fields of expertise until we can make our points really clear (though, sometimes, not even then ). That's definitely a good thing in society.

I was right though.

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Originally posted by Lira I have to admit this is one of the things I like about Nou: It doesn't matter if you're in law school, or if I'm a PhD candidate in linguistics, if he thinks he's right he's going to criticise us in our own fields of expertise until we can make our points really clear (though, sometimes, not even then ). That's definitely a good thing in society.

Nou is not a part of society though, he lives in a basement, has no job, and doesn't pay taxes.

Just don't drown in the flood.

Also, while Arbiter was joking I am sure (I really hope so) people have attempted to sue for copyright to remove images from the possession of others. Look at the recent leak of nude pics of Scarlett Johansson. Her attorneys started firing off DMCA notices to websites posting her content. If anything that just made the pictures more viral.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Yes, because the way you stated it made an implication that you would have to register copyright to protect it and that no protection existed before registration.

I don't know where you got that idea--I wrote that they would have to register to file infringement suits for $150,000 (statutory damages), which they do.

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Besides, you left out the most important part of 411(a) which says that registration is only an issue when it doesn't fall under 106A(a), which it clearly does.

Section 106A applies only to "works of visual art," which are defined in Section 101 as follows:

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A “work of visual art” is— (1) a painting, drawing, print, or sculpture, existing in a single copy, in a limited edition of 200 copies or fewer that are signed and consecutively numbered by the author, or, in the case of a sculpture, in multiple cast, carved, or fabricated sculptures of 200 or fewer that are consecutively numbered by the author and bear the signature or other identifying mark of the author; or (2) a still photographic image produced for exhibition purposes only, existing in a single copy that is signed by the author, or in a limited edition of 200 copies or fewer that are signed and consecutively numbered by the author.

(emphasis mine)

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Nou is not a part of society though, he lives in a basement, has no job, and doesn't pay taxes.

Fair enough, his presence in society would make it more effective then