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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Perhaps we should not discuss that further, as for you it is understandably personal whereas I'm just looking at numbers and perceptions.

I don't mind, it's just that being a member of the TG community, I know that a huge amount of us don't prostitute or make porn. Not even close to a majority.

So beyond being a huge leap (possibly tinged with trans-misogyny), it's also just a logical fallacy (and with no source).

no offense dude but i trim my fingernails due to hygiene. I dont change hairstyles because I feel like a long haired man or a short haired man that day. I do it to attract the opposite sex haha. Youre probably talkin to the wrong guy because i dont really see my outward image as a reflection of who i am on the inside. I use my actions and words to do that. I mean I always look fresh and look respectable because in order to get what you want in this world you have to be presentable. However, in no way do i have an inward struggle with myself over my shoes, hairstyle or fingernails.

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Bottom line being, congrats. Only three weeks on hormones and you have already picked up the uncanny female ability to take offence at the slightest sign of a poorly phrased comment. Already on your period then?

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy no offense dude but i trim my fingernails due to hygiene. I dont change hairstyles because I feel like a long haired man or a short haired man that day. I do it to attract the opposite sex haha.

i attract the same and the opposite sex, and when I do, I already know they're going to be into me for who I am, because I put myself out there honestly and confidently. Works pretty well for me.

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy I use my actions and words to do that.

me too. maybe i have bigger balls, though.


haters gon' hate.

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Originally posted by Moongoose Bottom line being, congrats. Only three weeks on hormones and you have already picked up the uncanny female ability to take offence at the slightest sign of a poorly phrased comment. Already on your period then?

basically. hormones are a bitch.

but you guys (esp music discussion people) know i was like this before i took hormones - now it just makes sense.

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy deforming his body to make it look as fucked up as HE feels in his mind? Sorry dude, inside i feel like an angry black man. But I am Eric and thats who I am going to be.

see, i disagree.. i think there are circumstances where you can be born that way, similar to how some people are born with both sets of genitalia. Maybe it's a chemical imbalance in the brain where your body is male but your brain says it's female? I'm obviously no expert in this field, but i wouldn't say it's impossible. I don't think avana has decided she 'wants' to be female, i think she's always felt she 'was' female, but went along with being male since that's the body she was born with and how she was raised to be. Once again, i'm no expert, but if what i said is possible, put yourself in her shoes, how would you feel? I guess this is not really directed to you eric but it was related.. I think avana has been very patient with all of us considering this is her life and it is a pretty big deal. the difference with psy-t was he likes to dress up as a women... he doesn't feel he is a women, so i can see how it could be more lighthearted for him seeing as this was more a sexual preference not so much a lifestyle. i could be totally wrong, just speculating here.

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Originally posted by nefardec or worked out to build muscle mass perhaps?

I work out to stay in shape. I work out to become stronger and quicker in sports. I dont do it because I think I am a muscle man in my head. and workign out is alot different then taking hormones in order to change your sexuality.

Im just saying instead of changing your body to match how you think you feel. Maybe, You should try to man the fuck up and accept the hand you were dealt in life.

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Originally posted by nefardec well, i did appreciate it, but wasn't sure how to respond to the self deprecating part of it! all i have to say is you should have seen me a day earlier. damn laser hair removal takes forever

Hahaha, ah yes the joys of being a woman: hair removal.

You know what IS awesome about being TG (imo)? You don't menstruate. You must be glad you don't ever have to deal with that shit!

I think you're onto something here. Shit.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Perhaps I was not whipped enough as a child.

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy Maybe, You should try to man the fuck up and accept the hand you were dealt in life.

but... that's exactly the point of transitioning. get it yet?

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Originally posted by nefardec I don't mind, it's just that being a member of the TG community, I know that a huge amount of us don't prostitute or make porn. Not even close to a majority. So beyond being a huge leap (possibly tinged with trans-misogyny), it's also just a logical fallacy (and with no source).

I didn't mean to suggest a majority of transgendered persons were involved in these industries; rather, just a larger percentage then in the general population. I'm sure you'll agree with that at least... think of all the people you know and how many of them are or have been in these industries... now focus exclusively on the transgendered people you know and ask the same... I'm fairly certain it's a higher number; it certainly is for me.

BTW, I take objection to your suggestion that I have a negative bias in this regard.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I didn't mean to suggest a majority of transgendered persons were involved in these industries; rather, just a larger percentage then in the general population. I'm sure you'll agree with that at least... think of all the people you know and how many of them are or have been in these industries... now focus exclusively on the transgendered people you know and ask the same... I'm fairly certain it's a higher number; it certainly is for me.

Maybe, but I'm saying either way it's not OK to assume that about everyone, just like it isn't OK to be like "LOL i didn't know you're black does this mean you're eating chicken right now instead of paying for your illegitimate kid's child support?"

I will say that among those I know who have done it, it's either out of desperation, because they can't get/keep a job due to discrimination or emotional or family stability, or because they feel it gives them acceptance/validation, makes them feel good, or they think that it's what society wants for them (however sick that is), and in both cases it's a result of transgender people trying to deal with society. I imagine a handful of them do genuinely like it though. Education both among the gen pop and the tg community I think will eventually reduce the proportion of our fallen sisters.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard BTW, I take objection to your suggestion that I have a negative bias in this regard.

Ok, I don't know you.. most people who make this allegation have negative motives.