Originally posted by Chimney
You consider males to be an enemy?
no, not in general, but many of my friends and acquaintances do.
Dec-04-2011 19:03
SYSTEM-J
Second Room Citizen
Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Leeds
quote:
Originally posted by nefardec
Do you go up to black people in the US and say 'OMG you're so black, so I think you'll find this picture of black people so interesting!'
Black people tend to be born black, there generally isn't an intensive course of surgery, hormonal therapy and make-over as part of the process. Lira clearly thinks you're interested in the process, a difficult transition you've been through yourself, and not the straightforward transgender identity of the individual. It's not like he's showing you one picture of a transgender person and expecting you to find their gender identity interesting by default.
And many of your friends and acquaintances are bigots.
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Black people tend to be born black, there generally isn't an intensive course of surgery, hormonal therapy and make-over as part of the process. Lira clearly thinks you're interested in the process, a difficult transition you've been through yourself, and not the straightforward transgender identity of the individual. It's not like he's showing you one picture of a transgender person and expecting you to find their gender identity interesting by default.
And many of your friends and acquaintances are bigots.
My point was that those photos show nearly nothing about the process of transition, which is largely psychosocial. I should know.
That link is clearly only concerned with showing two extremes of a sensationalist story. It's nothing more than a tabloid story.
I agree about the bigotry, but many of these people are just constantly on the defensive, and for good reason.
Dec-04-2011 19:46
Joss Weatherby
young & cold
Registered: May 2008
Location: The Ruins of Rome | Cascadia
quote:
Originally posted by nefardec
My point was that those photos show nearly nothing about the process of transition, which is largely psychosocial. I should know.
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Black people tend to be born black, there generally isn't an intensive course of surgery, hormonal therapy and make-over as part of the process.
Oh.. there goes my dream of having a giant penis
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
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Dec-04-2011 19:50
nefardec
Tranceaddict in tranning
Registered: Oct 2004
Location:
quote:
Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
How are you supposed to show that in photos?
You don't, that's why focusing on photos is dumb and pointless, and only serves to a.) reinforce a single oppressive narrative about transition that creates an unfair rubric upon which all transgender people tend to be graded, b.) objectifies the transgender body, c.) reinforces the oppressive idea that 'success' as a female is in large part equated to a standard of physical beauty.
Instead, ask people what their experiences are like, read their writings, poems, listen to their music, etc.
To be completely frank, a successful transgender person is a living transgender person.
Dec-04-2011 19:54
Arbiter
Naked Power Organ
Registered: May 2002
Location:
quote:
Originally posted by nefardec
Instead, ask people what their experiences are like, read their writings, poems, listen to their music, etc.
Sounds tiresome.
Dec-04-2011 19:59
nefardec
Tranceaddict in tranning
Registered: Oct 2004
Location:
quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
Sounds tiresome.
i agree. let's just all read "He's a SHE" tabloids at the supermarket and eat corn puffs.
Dec-04-2011 20:00
Joss Weatherby
young & cold
Registered: May 2008
Location: The Ruins of Rome | Cascadia
quote:
Originally posted by nefardec
You don't, that's why focusing on photos is dumb and pointless, and only serves to a.) reinforce a single oppressive narrative about transition that creates an unfair rubric upon which all transgender people tend to be graded, b.) objectifies the transgender body, c.) reinforces the oppressive idea that 'success' as a female is in large part equated to a standard of physical beauty.
Instead, ask people what their experiences are like, read their writings, poems, listen to their music, etc.
What if that persons sole intent was to become a hot chick? Wouldn't photos be the most expressive way for them to demonstrate their change? Are you excluding trans-genders that don't fit the exact reasoning or experiences you had? The problem I have with your posts is that you seem to have this very narrow minded view of what the experience should be like. You use your own experiences as the guide stick to judge all others, or at least thats how you seem to portray it.
