Originally posted by Lira
Not really. They come from very distinct traditions: The Chemical Brothers are much more "rock music" oriented, being influenced by the Madchester movement - it's no coincidence that Gallagher guy is in so many tracks. There are also guitar riffs and bass slapping all over their first albums. The Crystal Method came out of the "Acid Breaks" fever that took over the American West Coast in the early 90's - Überzone sounds a lot more like the Crystal Method than the Chemical Brothers, as it's much more "dancefloor" oriented... if you add a 4/4 beat on top of Comin' Back, it becomes just another trance track. Their later work perhaps converged as big beat became a more coherent movement... but their early stuff sounds nothing alike.
They both hail from a breakbeat tradition, the hip-hop family tree, with influences from acid house. Yeah, the Chems are influenced by UK indie music, but they didn't start out playing in guitar bands and they don't compose songs like a band. We're talking about their early material, pre-Crystal Method here. Their work is heavily sample-based, loop-oriented, built from the bottom up. They named themselves the Dust Brother, fer'chrissake. Using a guitar instead of a synth does not mean you can say they sound nothing alike.
And as for the Chemical Brothers not being very dancefloor oriented... I don't even know where to begin there.
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Like it if you like it, but don't compare it to headier, more thought-out work if all you're bringing to the table is the justification that you once had a good time while listening to it really loud.
I'm all for thought-out art, don't get me wrong. I truly believe Pink Floyd tried to work on their inspiration and do something imaginative and unique. However, let's face it, would you ever choose Pink Floyd over Scooter?
I know I wouldn't. Experimental music should serve no function other than open new paths for what really matters: fun music
Originally said by Maurice Moss
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Aug-19-2011 05:06
Lira
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
They both hail from a breakbeat tradition, the hip-hop family tree, with influences from acid house. Yeah, the Chems are influenced by UK indie music, but they didn't start out playing in guitar bands and they don't compose songs like a band. We're talking about their early material, pre-Crystal Method here. Their work is heavily sample-based, loop-oriented, built from the bottom up. They named themselves the Dust Brother, fer'chrissake. Using a guitar instead of a synth does not mean you can say they sound nothing alike.
Maybe I exaggerated when I said they sound nothing alike, but saying the Crystal Method ripped the Chemical Brothers off is not any less exaggerated.
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
And as for the Chemical Brothers not being very dancefloor oriented... I don't even know where to begin there.
Originally said by Maurice Moss
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Aug-19-2011 05:09
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You think Pink Floyd is experimental? Maybe Piper At The Gates of Dawn could qualify, but in that time frame it hardly counts. That album was experimental in the same way looking at what your partner was doing in Chemistry class is experimental.
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Aug-19-2011 05:09
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Lira adores Eboman! Everyone point and laugh!
Originally said by Maurice Moss
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Aug-19-2011 05:11
Lira
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
You think Pink Floyd is experimental?
Nah. It was the first "serious" band I could think of... lacked the arsedness to think of a better example
It's hard to maintain a serious argument AND listen to Scooter at the same time. As a matter of fact, I'd better leave before this does become a serious argument that I entered simply because I thought someone exaggerated and I decided to play the same game.
Originally said by Maurice Moss
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Aug-19-2011 05:15
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Liebchen
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Oh, so now you're saying Pink Floyd isn't serious??? What the fuck?!?!
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Aug-19-2011 05:18
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Originally posted by Lira
Why not!?
Because it's either used as a passive-aggressive defence of shit music, implying you're just not fun enough to enjoy it, or it refers to tacky and stupid attitudes in the music itself. The apex of self-consciously "fun" music would be ska punk, which I fucking hate.
I think it's much better generally when the music takes itself seriously, or at least keeps a sternly straight face. The Crystal Method's music certainly takes itself seriously, with its swaggering basslines, hip-hop samples and a vaguely ludicrous air of '90s slow-mo trench-coated action posturing. Music shouldn't be fun, you should have fun to music.
Originally said by Maurice Moss
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Aug-19-2011 05:20
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Liebchen
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H-how dare you, Lira! We were *this* close to changing your mind! You come back here! We'll persuade you out of your genuine interests by way of forensic discourse!
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Aug-19-2011 05:23
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Liebchen
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Music shouldn't be fun, you should have fun to music.
I dunno, man. I just don't know.
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Aug-19-2011 05:25
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