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Originally posted by jester Now thats something, rumours have it that Mubarak might be exiled to Israel

The son of a bitch rather burn egypt then see it free. Thats the price of saving face. If anyone here has been vouching for him, look at what this has escalated to now, and say that this is a leader fit to rule a country justly.

He needs to be ousted immediately. How dare he put the history of civilization at risk.

Wonder if JayX1 still thinks that Mubarak is the better alternative for Egypt...

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Wonder if JayX1 still thinks that Mubarak is the better alternative for Egypt...

Is this the kind of scumbag that we regard as an ally?

Western governments now have good evidence that this violence was sponsored by Mubarak. Where were these violent Mubarak 'supporters' over the previous 8 days? It is no coincidence that these attacks are taking place a day after Mubarak believed that he had made a big enough concession.

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Originally posted by The Potter Is this the kind of scumbag that we regard as an ally?

That is correct and there are many others like him in the region with the full support of Washington behind their backs.
I just hope that the people around the world begin to see the disgusting politics of the U.S. in the Middle East after all of this.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Wonder if JayX1 still thinks that Mubarak is the better alternative for Egypt...

If the replacement is a bunch of sunni theocractics then yes. The last thing we need is an islamic egyptian dictatorship.

I never said Mubarek was a nice guy or a good leader. What i continue to say is that he is probably a lot better than what/who will replace him.

Anyone who thinks Egypt is headed for a democracy is fooling themselves.

I hope im wrong.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

Amidst these problems, just as a funny aside, my efforts at dispelling racist Arab stereotypes have taken a hit with the sight of those camels in Tahir square!

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit Who are leading it? I don't think you know how secular egypt is and how it has been, for the past 60 years or so, the lead arab country in westernization. Mubarak did a good job to quell the islamists back in 1981 after the sadat assassination and egypt has grown exponentially westernized since then. The religious are moderates for the majority and the rest are secular, atheists, christians and jews. Just looking at how organized the protests were and how peaceful they were overall (besides the police entising and inciting violence on the people, and perhaps letting prisoners out) one can see that this isn`t a people who will be easily swayed by islamist propaganda.

If they are really the most moderate of the arab countries, then I don't even want to think about how bad it is in other countries. Wasn't there a massive church bombing in Egypt a few weeks ago? It's easy to build a mosque in Egypt, how about if the same rights were afforded to the Copts? Would you like to know how many Egyptian Copts I know that have had to flee Egypt because they are too afraid to practice their religion in their homeland? Because they are abused, discriminated against and treated like shit?

Sorry but that doesn't sound too "westernized" or "moderate" to me.

Yea Mubarak might have been a piece of shit, fine, have someone else replace him and by someone else I mean not some other islamo-fascist swine like we have already in Pakistan / Iran / Afghanistan (it'll happen as soon as the allied forces leave) that will revert any chance of progress that may have happened in Egypt.

Personally, my money is on some fundamentalists taking over, which in turn will invariably lead to more butchering of anything not related to Islam. Like in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan etc ... which is very sad.

I find it somewhat shocking that there are people out there who support the dictators in the Middle East. Did we already forget about Saddam?
Didn’t we invade his country to save the Iraqi people from getting killed by him?

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Originally posted by Special K Would you like to know how many Egyptian Copts I know that have had to flee Egypt because they are too afraid to practice their religion in their homeland? Because they are abused, discriminated against and treated like shit?

how many? You realize a large portion of the copts in egypt (even though they are less then 5% of the population) control a majority of the wealth? Who do you think is behind wind mobile? Sure there will always be conflict with religion but its minimal compared to teh other middle eastern countries. I don't think they would make

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Sorry but that doesn't sound too "westernized" or "moderate" to me.

really?

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Tourism is currently representing 11.3% of Egypt's GDP, 40% of the total Egypt's non-commodity exports and 19.3% of Egypt's foreign currency revenues. and employs 12% of their workforce

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/hellochina/egyptambassador09/2009-08/24/content_8608649.htm

i would say if it was a hazard; non moderate extremist country; a threat to visit; and didn't cator to westerners, it wouldn't depend so much on its tourism to rack in 60 billion dollars per year.

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Yea Mubarak might have been a piece of shit, fine, have someone else replace him and by someone else I mean not some other islamo-fascist swine like we have already in Pakistan / Iran / Afghanistan (it'll happen as soon as the allied forces leave) that will revert any chance of progress that may have happened in Egypt.

so the alternative is to deny the people their right to self determination. Great.

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Personally, my money is on some fundamentalists taking over, which in turn will invariably lead to more butchering of anything not related to Islam. Like in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan etc ... which is very sad.

Right because these people couldn't be swayed by a 30 year dictator, they are all of a sudden going to turn into mindless fundamentalists?

Did you notice how organized and peaceful the protests were until they were enticed by the thugs hired by mobaraks regime? You have christians atheists muslims and perhaps jews all united for a cause of self determination of their nation. Now you want to try and dumb it down into some jihad movement.

Blacks were once slaves you know. They would have continued to be slaves until this day, but i guess someone had the balls to speak out and take action. Now the US has a black president.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer I find it somewhat shocking that there are people out there who support the dictators in the Middle East. Did we already forget about Saddam? Didn’t we invade his country to save the Iraqi people from getting killed by him?

It's called biggotry, generalizations and racism.