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Meat187
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quote:
Originally posted by Lira
I don't listen exclusively to low brow music. I really like minimalism


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Looney4Clooney
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quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Amazingly, you're still wrong. This thread is about literary authors abusing or misusing science and other academic subjects. I think you've inadvertantly brought up another worthwhile point to add to the discussion though: some readers are just so stupid they can misinterpret even the most clear and accurate writing, on any subject.


i think i'm just looking at the bigger picture.


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TheTrinity
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quote:
Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
because both situations encapsulate all possibilities ? genius. I don't think anyone would be surprised.

I assumed it was a bunch of pseudo intellectuals demanding that writers be less like Dan Brown. I find this demand on art quite ironic considering EDM is what many would consider the lowest form of music. I guess the aesthetic demands on just one form of art to me seems a little hypocritical. But you are right , did not read a single post. I glossed the first page.

ps: i took about 1 minute just to see , and yup, my post outlines exactly what i thought would be going on. Which is why i asked why you hold one art to such levels yet are rolling in the mud with another. Rather strange to me.


the less amount of understanding there is in a subject area by the general population, for example (some genres of EDM that are not popular),

the more depth of understanding they require from the listener.


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infiniteJEST
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Registered: Mar 2008
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quote:
Originally posted by Lira
And I agree.

...

Hmm...

...

Not really. I don't want science to be above art. I want science and art to join hands and walk on the beach. I want art and science to become companions, not enemies. I want science and art to engage in a lustful, lascivious, lewd, libidinous, amorous, lickerish, libertine, fulsome, lecherous, concupiscent, carnal, ruttish, salacious exchange of fluids, ideas and concepts whenever possible.

But art can be devoid of science, of course. Otherwise there would be no fantastic fiction, would there?


My my my. A post does get around. In September it was in page three, come May, page six. My oh my. And just what makes you think that art and science aren't already lesbian sisters? Scissoring each other not only for mere swapping of luscious fluids (& etc.) but also to trim one another, right where the hair thickens, grooming their sloping forms as they moan and small-talk matters feminine and fundamental.

See, the science of optics gives art things like depth perspective and color theory, while the aesthetics of art grant sciences like physics a nifty compass to help illuminate the way: mathematical beauty. So the sun is hurling yellow everywhere and the waves jump for the moon, hidden behind the blaring blue. Art unravels her ponytail and peels off the body paint to get naked while science lets the bifocal specs drop to the sand as she stretches out her groin (scissoring is a bit of a slapstick method to go about carnal love but that's how these two sluts roll) to prepare for the day's festivities. And there you are, comfortably cool, behind the computer, letting the thoughts spiral off into binary while big titty bitches are at their best, outside of debating!

It all goes to make me think that the bigger picture is...rather lewd.


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Lira
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quote:
Originally posted by Anxieties
You want Hard Science Fiction for all Literature?

Not for all of literature, but at least for the main point when they're relevant. I couldn't care less if psychologists one day found out Juliet couldn't possibly have fallen for Romeo and "falsified" the whole story, for instance, but you can only go so far without doing any research. And, if you do your homework properly, it's just fair you pointed that out to your readers so they can learn more from it as well, being able to see what is(n't) accurate about your take on the issue.
quote:
Originally posted by Meat187
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It's not the minimalism you've got in mind, Meat

Do you even know Arvo Pärt?


quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
I could be completely off, but literature's aim has never been to instruct or to educate, and if you truly suspect that is its directive, I finally see why your initial premise is such a mess that sent people so many directions.

Not all of it, I give you that. I can't see what "John Dies at the End" and "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies" have to offer on top of the few hours of entertainment they obviously provide. And it doesn't need to be "low brow" literature. Machado de Assis is a great Brazilian writer whose works I had to read as an adolescent, and I can't think of a single example of books where he would have benefited from some more thorough research (even because this kind of knowledge wasn't available to him at the time).

Also, there are works that offer moral education, which may not be grounded on hard facts, but on social rules (or the lack thereof). But still, I can't see how a writer could write anything without some kind of purpose in mind. And, when the purpose depends on hard facts, doing some background research is of the utmost importance. I mean, Ayn Rand was useless when it came to economy, and look at what she's achieved!
quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
As an art form, it is purely reflective, and like your confused projection of the author-audience tautology, it is indeed reflective of the kind of parabolic meta-narrative on literature's charge and very right to misdirect or to deceive.

It isn't purely reflective, methinks, and the suspension of disbelief I believe you're talking about does have its merits, but it should be approached with caution.

For example, Kierkegaard's "Either/Or" is supposed to be a true story based on some manuscripts he found. If you follow the story, this has little impact on reality. But do you have any idea of how much disservice a film like "The Fourth Kind" does when people believe it really IS based on a true story. I went to the cinema with a friend who had a Master's in psychology, of all things, and I still had to PROVE it was all fiction, because the whole story is based on the premise that these facts really did happen and the data was all found in the archives of some psychologist from Alaska. All because the nutter was already prone to believe in spirits and whatnot - and this just made him all the more confident that the aliens were more advanced spirits that... bah, who cares what they did. Part of the reason our relationship became strained over time is because he clang all the more to these beliefs, and this kind of irresponsible fiction made him believe he was enlightened (to the point he started hurling abuses as sceptics).
quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
You, Lira, see fit to comment that beauty's seeming fixation with truth is misguided, but I think it's more pertinent to consider that instead untruth holds far more beauty, and this is in itself a truth that literature's principal reason has been beholden of since the first lie ever submitted.

Actually, I don't think beauty and truth are connected in any way. I'm a pragmatist (no, not like Rorty), and I believe truth serves epistemological rather than aesthetic purposes.
quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Confusing information with education is at the forefront of delightful fallacies. And one that ought to be at the tip of everyone's minds, in the embryonic internet.

Actually, I do try to keep them apart as much as possible. But there'll always be some overlap between information and education, for you can't really educate if you're not informed

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Halcyon+On+On
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quote:
Originally posted by infiniteJEST
My my my. A post does get around. In September it was in page three, come May, page six. My oh my. And just what makes you think that art and science aren't already lesbian sisters? Scissoring each other not only for mere swapping of luscious fluids (& etc.) but also to trim one another, right where the hair thickens, grooming their sloping forms as they moan and small-talk matters feminine and fundamental.

See, the science of optics gives art things like depth perspective and color theory, while the aesthetics of art grant sciences like physics a nifty compass to help illuminate the way: mathematical beauty. So the sun is hurling yellow everywhere and the waves jump for the moon, hidden behind the blaring blue. Art unravels her ponytail and peels off the body paint to get naked while science lets the bifocal specs drop to the sand as she stretches out her groin (scissoring is a bit of a slapstick method to go about carnal love but that's how these two sluts roll) to prepare for the day's festivities. And there you are, comfortably cool, behind the computer, letting the thoughts spiral off into binary while big titty bitches are at their best, outside of debating!

It all goes to make me think that the bigger picture is...rather lewd.


Thread's over. Everyone go home. Not you. You stay. You stay to have a little talksie with Coach.

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infiniteJEST
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quote:
Originally posted by infiniteJEST
big titty bitches are at their best, outside of debating!


I did not mean this here, I think. Not at all >:|


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Lira
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quote:
Originally posted by infiniteJEST
I did not mean this here, I think. Not at all >:|



Hell yeah, big titty bitches deserve all the art they can get!

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EddieZilker
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quote:
Originally posted by infiniteJEST
My my my. A post does get around. In September it was in page three, come May, page six. My oh my. And just what makes you think that art and science aren't already lesbian sisters? Scissoring each other not only for mere swapping of luscious fluids (& etc.) but also to trim one another, right where the hair thickens, grooming their sloping forms as they moan and small-talk matters feminine and fundamental.

See, the science of optics gives art things like depth perspective and color theory, while the aesthetics of art grant sciences like physics a nifty compass to help illuminate the way: mathematical beauty. So the sun is hurling yellow everywhere and the waves jump for the moon, hidden behind the blaring blue. Art unravels her ponytail and peels off the body paint to get naked while science lets the bifocal specs drop to the sand as she stretches out her groin (scissoring is a bit of a slapstick method to go about carnal love but that's how these two sluts roll) to prepare for the day's festivities. And there you are, comfortably cool, behind the computer, letting the thoughts spiral off into binary while big titty bitches are at their best, outside of debating!

It all goes to make me think that the bigger picture is...rather lewd.


*unzips pants*


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Meat187
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quote:
Originally posted by Lira
Do you even know Arvo Pärt?


No. Not something I could get into right now. Latest development is that I'm starting to seriously like that Nu-Disco 80s revival sound. The time for music like that is when I'm over sixty. Oh, did I mention that I want to do a happy hardcore mix? If not let me just briefly point out that

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quote:
Originally posted by Lira
Not all of it, I give you that. I can't see what "John Dies at the End" and "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies" have to offer on top of the few hours of entertainment they obviously provide.


And it would be utterly stupid to look for more in them. Seems like the fundamental difference is this: I want all literature to have the freedom and entertainment-oriented approach I loved so much in John dies at the End while you want all of it to follow the fact-oriented educational approach you like so much in [insert boring fag-osophy book here].


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SYSTEM-J
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quote:
Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
i think i'm just looking at the bigger picture.


I'm not sure you're looking at any picture at all.


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