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utdarsenal
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how to properly use pitch? for pitch risers

alright so I have a problem everytime I try doing pitch risers during a build-up (with logic pro)

it seems like I can only make a decent-sounding pitch rise for 32 beats.

if I try doing it for 64 the pitch sounds dull and too monotone at a point. I use pitch risers to keep a sort of intensity going (like you can notice in Markus Schulz - sleepwalkers where he uses a bunch of pitch risers throughout the whole song) but with the problem i'm having I can't keep up the intensity when the rising sound becomes monotone, like you can barely notice that the pitch is even rising towards the last quarter of it (compared to professional songs where it rises to a very high pitch and you can continuously hear it rising).

do you guys understand what i'm talking about or do I need to clarify a bit more?

thanks!

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DJ Robby Rox
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Registered: Apr 2007
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Could it be the sound you are using?

The more depth a sound has, the more momentum it seems to have as the pitch goes up. Also, you can introduce LFOs into the rise itself to add some more tension, just to reduce that stability or monotone feeling as the pitch gets high.

Although I'm sure there something else going on that has a more fundamental cause. I personally don't use pitch rises, so I couldn't tell you. Sorry!


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EddieZilker
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What is a riser?


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Deillon
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quote:
Originally posted by EddieZilker
What is a riser?

Sweep.

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Lame deillon you ruined the fun for me. Ipad makes me type slow.


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EddieZilker
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quote:
Originally posted by Deillon
Sweep.


I would have accepted, shift.

The semantics of music production were never really set in stone. I'm not even sure if most people know the difference between a break and a drop, anymore; if their usage is so interchangeable that there isn't really a meaningful distinction, any longer.


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Deillon
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Gets a bit confusing at some point.
Just like stab, stack, chord all mean the same thing (afaik)

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Storyteller
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quote:
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I would have accepted, shift.


Reversed downlifter?


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EddieZilker
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quote:
Originally posted by Deillon
Gets a bit confusing at some point.
Just like stab, stack, chord all mean the same thing (afaik)


That's the thing, though.

I always thought stack pertained to two or more synths layered. A stab is a chord, but it's a short, staccato one used intermittently for phrase punctuation rather than rhythmic chords or padded chords that would fill out a music bed. Music Production really needs a refined glossary to stabilize the semantics. I'm not saying my meanings for these terms are correct, at all. It would be nice to have some reference with a little more authority than the current situation.


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EddieZilker
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quote:
Originally posted by Storyteller
Reversed downlifter?


Inverted downlifter. Reversed just goes from back to front while inversion flips it from down to up.




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DJ Robby Rox
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The problem with pitch sweep is you don't know if its going up or down, and thats the most important part.

(obviously jk)


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itsamemario
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Registered: Jun 2001
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sorry to come and ruin everyones fun here, but
rise = X + Y2
x= octaves pitched
y= bars rising

isn't harder than that. to keep the effect of the 'riser' you'll need to double the amount of octaves you pitch the tone.

quote:
Originally posted by EddieZilker
That's the thing, though.

I always thought stack pertained to two or more synths layered. A stab is a chord, but it's a short, staccato one used intermittently for phrase punctuation rather than rhythmic chords or padded chords that would fill out a music bed. Music Production really needs a refined glossary to stabilize the semantics. I'm not saying my meanings for these terms are correct, at all. It would be nice to have some reference with a little more authority than the current situation.


I think you should go for the VP, man.

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