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Intellekshual
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Registered: Dec 2011
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Karma

"Karma is a bitch"
There isn't a day that goes by that I don't see/hear this phrase, somewhere.
Am I the only one who thinks the whole spiritual "karma system" is a load of bollocks? You really believe what goes around comes around?.. That's just how the world works. There are good things and bad things that have happened, are happening, and always will be happening. It's just called "life"

The idea of "karma" is comforting to some, I'm sure. But I think it's just a product of our own superstitious mind.

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Sushipunk
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Agreed. Hippy nonsense, IMO.


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OrangestO
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What about things happening for a reason?

Sometimes things happen way too coincidentally and in perfect sequence for there not to be an underlying purpose or cause of it.

But yea, life is life. Shit happens. The good die young. Murphy's Law.

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DJ RANN
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I don't observe the true depth of Karmic teaching, and bad things have and will happen to very good people, but there is most certainly some moments that just seem so poetic, when bad things happening cartain cvnts, and said cvts really had it coming.

What goes around does come around. It's not quite an equal payer system but some people have gone out of their way for me in the past, and I've tried to help a lot of people throughout my life, so in that way it does go around.

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Sushipunk
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
but there is most certainly some moments that just seem so poetic, when bad things happening cartain cvnts, and said cvts really had it coming.


I get what you're saying, but I think that "bad" people in general tend to have bad attitudes and behave poorly. This is what attracts "bad" things happening to them, not some mystical force dolling out events to balance things. IMO, of course.


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Lira
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Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Brasilia, Brazil Formerly known as: Maaz

Objectively speaking, karma is rubbish. Things happen at random and someone who breaks the rules far too often is more likely to find a kindred spirit than someone who is more disciplined (although nothing prevents the wrongdoer from lucking out and the moral person from being unjustly punished)... but that's about it.

However, I'm amazed by how incredible it is psychologically, and I can't help praising the possible motivation behind it.

If you think about it for a second, the reason this idea spread out of India with so much strength is because it's genius: It's the ultimate form of institutionalised Schadenfreude, in which you seek to explain how fair the world is by punishing your foes without doing anything. You just sit and wait, hear that something bad has happened to the person, and declare karma has acted on your behalf. In a way, it's no surprise that this is tied together with a system of thought that preaches non-violence - it appeases the human drive for revenge and asks for very little in return.

So the social reality behind it does deserve some praise... even if, ontologically speaking, it's just pure nonsense.


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Halcyon+On+On
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Somewhere between Schadenfreude, Confirmation Bias, and all of the contrasts and nuanced juxtapositions that lie between, is the flush of dopamine we feel when a poor, hard-working single mother wins the lottery, or a wealthy asshole who spits on the homeless gets raped by a marauding band of AIDS hobos. Oh wait, was that last one too far? Shit, I always do that.


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Chimney
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Registered: Oct 2008
Location: Western Block

I always try to be a good person and don't expect anything in return. Sometimes you're lucky. Othertimes, not. Earlier tonight I was at a club, dancing and I accidentally knocked the drink out of a guy's hand. I offered to buy him a new one, but he refused, smiling, saying I shouldn't worry about petty things like those.

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Looney4Clooney
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don't believe in Karma as some super natural force but i think the way you act and how those actions have somewhat predictable consequences somewhat a form of karma in action. It can't account for bad luck but so much of what happens to us is in some way a reaction to your action or inaction.

Kinda along the lines of what Rann said.

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If you think about it for a second, the reason this idea spread out of India with so much strength is because it's genius: It's the ultimate form of institutionalised Schadenfreude, in which you seek to explain how fair the world is by punishing your foes without doing anything. You just sit and wait, hear that something bad has happened to the person, and declare karma has acted on your behalf



Never really thought about Karma this way. I mean karma or the concept exists in every culture. Do good and you will be rewarded, do bad and you will be punished. I didn't think people actually hoped bad things will happen at least most people. I always thought it was sort of a spiritual reason to be good. A guide to keep you towing the line. That shadenfreud you mentioned would in itself be a deposit of bad karma in your karma bank just for thinking about how that person will suffer and enjoying the thought. Not really sure how it is practiced in other parts of the world so I could be wrong.


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SYSTEM-J
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The basic principle of karma is sound: if you punch everyone you ever meet in the face, you're going to get a lot of black eyes in your life, whereas if you shake their hand you're going to have a lot more friends. The whole metaphysical framework is obviously nonsense, though.


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djnitride
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Chaos theory is a bitch.


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Blake
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In order to know whether or not Karma is BS you'd pretty much have to experience the entire span of time. My guess is that there's no net gain or loss. All possible experiences are probably accounted for, one way or another.


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