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| kid nyce |
On another forum I read this only to remind me of the cor. Probably irrelevant to most of you as the sarcasm is about 12feet deep in this neck of the woods.
If you care to read, give her a go
Pogue's Blog via NY Times
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Whatever Happened to Online Etiquette?
¡°Dear David, first off i would like to tell you that you are full of **** and did not research the zune enough to know your facts.
¡°The following are incorrect, and not limited to: podcasts, giftcards, looks(which is an oppinion), controls, and content. Also i would like to inform you that on the day of the launch(nov 14) there is a sceduled firmware upgrade which will most likely disband the 3 by 3 rule [which limits songs beamed between Zunes to three playbacks within three days], and the zune marketplace is also to offer video content about one month after launch. In my oppinion you should be fired for wrighting such a biast article in a (somewhat)professional newspaper. Oh and in case you think i work for microsoft or have bad grammar, or something, you should know that im 15!¡±
The deeper we sail into the new online world of communications, the sadder I get about its future.
I¡¯m OK with criticism, I¡¯m fine with disagreement, I¡¯m perfectly capable of handling angry mail. That¡¯s not the issue here (although my teenage correspondent above was, in fact, wrong about every single one of his points).
I¡¯ve even accepted personal attacks as part of the job. I¡¯m a columnist; the heat comes with the kitchen.
But what¡¯s really stunning is how hostile *ordinary* people are to each other online these days.
Slashdot and Digg.com are extremely popular sites for tech fans. Each discussion begins with the presentation of an article or Web page¨Cand then opens up the floor for discussion.
Lately, an increasing number of the discussions devolve into name-calling and bickering. Someone might submit, say, this item to Digg:
685 diggs. ¡°AWESOME astronomy poem.¡± (posted by MetsFan 3 days ago)
Twinkle, twinkle, little star, how I wonder what you are.
Up above the world so high, like a diamond in the sky,
Twinkle, twinkle, little star, how I wonder what you are.
Before long, the people¡¯s feedback begins, like this:
by baddude on 12/11/06
What¡¯s yr problem, moron. You already said it¡¯s a star, why would you then wonder what it is. Get a clue, or a life.
by neverland2 on 12/11/06
Dugg down as inaccurate. Stars do not twinkle. It¡¯s the shifting atmosphere that causes an apparent twinkle. Or were you stoned all through science class?
by mrobe on 12/11/06
yo neverland2¨CIt¡¯s a poem, idiot. Nobody¡¯s claiming that stars twinkle. Ever heard of poetic license?
Honestly, the intellectual level of you people is right up there with a gnat¡¯s.
¡_and so on.
What¡¯s worse is that the concentration of the nasty people increases as the civil ones get fed up and leave.
What¡¯s going on here?
My current theories:
* On the Internet, you¡¯re anonymous. Since you don¡¯t have to face the person you¡¯re dumping on, you don¡¯t see any reason to display courtesy.
* On the Internet, you¡¯re anonymous. You worry that your comments might get lost in the shuffle, so you lay it on thick to enhance your noticeability.
* The open toxicity is all part of the political climate. We¡¯ve learned from the Red state-Blue state talking heads that open hostility can pass for meaningful conversation.
* Young people who spend lots of time online are, in essence, replacing in-person social interactions with these online exchanges. With so much less experience conversing in the real world, they haven¡¯t picked up on the value of treating people civilly. That is, they haven¡¯t yet hit the stage of life when getting things like friends, a spouse and a job depend on what kind of person you are.
* Many parents haven¡¯t been teaching social skills (or haven¡¯t been around to teach them) for years, but Web 2.0 is suddenly making it apparent for the first time. (¡±Web 2.0¡å describes sites like Digg and Slashdot, where the audience itself provides material for the Web site.)
I¡¯d give just about anything to hear what 15-year-old Josh¡¯s parents would say if they knew how little respect he holds for adults (let alone the English language). Then again, maybe they wouldn¡¯t be surprised a bit.
The real shame, though, is that the kneejerk ¡°everyone else is an idiot¡± tenor is poisoning the potential the Internet once had. People used to dream of a global village, where maybe we can work out our differences, where direct communication might make us realize that we have a lot in common after all, no matter where we live or what our beliefs.
But instead of finding common ground, we¡¯re finding new ways to spit on the other guy, to push them away. The Internet is making it easier to attack, not to embrace.
Maybe as the Internet becomes as predominant as air, somebody will realize that online behavior isn¡¯t just an afterthought. Maybe, along with HTML and how to gauge a Web site¡¯s credibility, schools and colleges will one day realize that there¡¯s something else to teach about the Internet: Civility 101.
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| citric_acid |
lol...
hm... i read all that and wasnt bored! |
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| idoru |
| quote: | * Young people who spend lots of time online are, in essence, replacing in-person social interactions with these online exchanges. With so much less experience conversing in the real world, they haven’t picked up on the value of treating people civilly. That is, they haven’t yet hit the stage of life when getting things like friends, a spouse and a job depend on what kind of person you are.
* Many parents haven’t been teaching social skills (or haven’t been around to teach them) for years, but Web 2.0 is suddenly making it apparent for the first time. (”Web 2.0″ describes sites like Digg and Slashdot, where the audience itself provides material for the Web site.)
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The real shame, though, is that the kneejerk “everyone else is an idiot” tenor is poisoning the potential the Internet once had. People used to dream of a global village, where maybe we can work out our differences, where direct communication might make us realize that we have a lot in common after all, no matter where we live or what our beliefs.
But instead of finding common ground, we’re finding new ways to spit on the other guy, to push them away. The Internet is making it easier to attack, not to embrace. |
Couldn't have said it better myself.  |
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| Inertia |
| quote: | Originally posted by citric_acid
lol...
hm... i read all that and wasnt bored! |
however, i read your post and was bored instantly! |
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| citric_acid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Inertia
however, i read your post and was bored instantly! |
sweet! |
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| Inertia |
| see? we can be civil. |
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| citric_acid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Inertia
see? we can be civil. |
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| Inertia |
| quote: | Originally posted by citric_acid
:rolleyes: |
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| Lira |
Actually, that's just a modern kind of hubris1, related to our off-line social norms.
As in every society, deviants are often segregated and/or are punished in some way. A way of not being segregated yourself is being the one who dictates the rules - in order to feel powerful, you need someone/something powerless. You can see it happening among high school kids, when there's generalised mocking, and a few students are chosen as being an easier prey (usually the powerless ones). This ends up bonding people together, eventually2... and in less individualistic societies, such as Japan, it might become hardcore - last month, there was a suicide being reported on NHK pretty much every week :/
On the internet, and in daily life, when you're not likely to see the same person twice as often as you would if this person were part of your community, it seems that the need to establish this powerful-powerless becomes persistent, or so it seems. I've never read any studies about this, but it's a hypothesis.
An aggravant, in such scenario, is the fact that the internet maybe a heaven for the real life "deviants", such as nerds. These people might internalise this powerful-powerless model in them, and avoid the repetition of what happens in real life through on-line verbal abuse.
Also, the amount of information on the internet is massive. Often, some of your own dogmas might be attacked by alien ideas3, and this leads to the need of defending one's ideals as if this person were being physically attacked.
1 Nicked from Wikipedia: Hubris or hybris ( Greek ὕβρις ), according to its modern usage, is exaggerated self pride or self-confidence, often resulting in fatal retribution. In Ancient Greek hubris referred to actions taken in order to shame the victim, thereby making oneself seem superior.
2 For more info on society and deviance, look for some material on sociology. Durkheim's book "Crime" was a revolutionary one, in that sense
3 Heck... I forgot the person who said that. I believe it was Chardin, with his ideas of noosphere and all, but I'm not sure :/ |
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| jdat |
| Netiquette is such a rare thing these days people don't even remember the name to describe it anymore so they call it online etiquette. |
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| kid nyce |
| maybe this thread contained real discussion which prevented the corwhores from threadjacking it? |
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