now this man is probably the oldest DJ to walk this planet, but the stuff he says in here is pretty trippy and insightful at the same time. Obviously, he's realized this in a deep acid trip, but it's still fun to hear it because it actually kind of makes sense:
Psy-T
raja ram is 10 years older.
StanVoid
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Originally posted by Psy-T
raja ram is 10 years older.
does he have a theory too?
Psy-T
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Originally posted by StanVoid
does he have a theory too?
i'm sure he does, i doubt i'd find it on youtube though.
RJT
lol... reminds me a lot of phish lot scene philosophy. :stongue:
have I ever had to keep myself from laughing while listening to some crazy old hippies tell me about the way the world is before - it's cute for a while, but it inevitably gets slightly frightening... :p
leph555
this guy freaks me out :nervous:
Cloudburst
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Originally posted by StanVoid
does he have a theory too?
;)
DJ Chrono
I've done alot of reading atleast into Aum Shinrikyo / Aleph, and they have a similar outlook, which is heavily rooted in Buddist teachings.
Not sure if the heavy acid trip is really required.
Fast Turtle
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Originally posted by DJ Chrono
I've done alot of reading atleast into Aum Shinrikyo / Aleph, and they have a similar outlook, which is heavily rooted in Buddist teachings.
Not sure if the heavy acid trip is really required.
Also like Buddhism, Aleph condones the development of nuclear and atomic weapons and attacking subway trains with sarin gas.
DJ Chrono
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Originally posted by Fast Turtle
Also like Buddhism, Aleph condones the development of nuclear and atomic weapons and attacking subway trains with sarin gas.
Actually Aleph doesn't condone that at all. Aum Shinrikyo did, on the direction of their leader Shoko Asahara, but once he was imprissoned and they reformed as Aleph, they made some major changes to their doctrine, specifically not following Vajrayâna Buddhism . Asahara believed that if someone had reached enlightenment (like he himself had) they had the right and the ability to speed someone's ascension by killing them, which had it's grounding within Vajrayâna Buddhism..
Fast Turtle
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Originally posted by DJ Chrono
Actually Aleph doesn't condone that at all. Aum Shinrikyo did, on the direction of their leader Shoko Asahara, but once he was imprissoned and they reformed as Aleph, they made some major changes to their doctrine, specifically not following Vajrayâna Buddhism . Asahara believed that if someone had reached enlightenment (like he himself had) they had the right and the ability to speed someone's ascension by killing them, which had it's grounding within Vajrayâna Buddhism..
They're still internationally recognized as a terrorist organization.
DJ Chrono
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Originally posted by Fast Turtle
They're still internationally recognized as a terrorist organization.
We all know that Aum committed terrorist acts in the past.
This was clearly done under the direction of Shoko Asahara, the leader of Aum Shinrikyo at the time. Only a few top-level Aum members had any idea of the violence / terrorism tactics going on within the organization. I've read 'The place that was promised' by Haruki Murakami, which is a documentation of interviews done with Aum cult members, past and present, and that is made very clear by every person's account.
Some of Asahara's ideas, specifically pertaining to the violent acts that he instructed, were extracted from Vajrayâna Buddhism teachings.. And some of the practices are clearly not acceptable anymore in this day and age. Almost all the other members of Aum, aside from Asahara and his top-level practitioners did not support nor see the need in using these upaya, and so when they changed their name to Aleph, they were removed from their doctrine.
Take a look at their website, does it sound like a terrorist organization?
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December 27, 2001
Dear Mr. Powell:
I, on behalf of all the members of the religious organization Aleph, would like to make a plead here to you to reconsider our status as being one of your “Foreign Terrorist Organizations”.
In your “2001 Report on Foreign Terrorist Organizations” you have listed 28 organizations which included Aum Shinrikyo. I must say that Aum Shinrikyo itself does not exist any more. It was dissolved and after going through self-imposed drastic reformation, the new organization Aleph was established in February of 2000. Although Aleph inherited a lot from Aum Shinrikyo, the reality of Aleph is a far cry from that of any terrorist organization. I would like you to know the actual state of Aleph and to reconsider if Aleph should in truth be listed as one of your foreign terrorist organizations.
First of all, as clearly stated in our platform (reference #1), we disapprove of any unlawful or violent activities including the 1995 Tokyo subway gas attack. We admit that the series of grave crimes committed by some Aum Shinrikyo members were wrong and have sworn that none of us will never engage in any crimes whatsoever in the future.
Having seriously reflected upon the past incidents, we made apologies to the public and the bereaved family members of the incidents and started to make compensatory payments to the funds of the bankruptcy administrators for Aum Shinrikyo (ref.#s 2-6).
The funds donated by Aleph since 1999 have now exceeded 300 million yen. Considering four billion yen, the total amount that we have agreed to compensate, we are still far off the goal. Therefore we are making our utmost effort to complete it.
On top of this, we encourage our members to contribute to charities (ref. #7). On December 18th of 2001, we were able to transfer the sum of half a million yen as a donation through Japan Red Cross to the victims of the September 11th of 2001 terror attacks in the U.S.A. Many of us feel very sorry for the terror attacks and prayed for the victims.
The point to be emphasized is that most of us had nothing to do with the crimes committed. Those who were involved in the grave crimes are in the custody of the police, although three members are still wanted by the police. We have been making constant appeals to them to give themselves up to the police, and encourage our members to give any information that may lead to their apprehension (ref. #8).
Since 1995, there has been no record of us committing any grave crimes whatsoever in Japan. The police raided facilities of Aum Shinrikyo and later of Aleph at about 470 places between June of 1996 and December of 2001. All the raids were carried out on suspicion of petty crimes and had nothing to do with the suspicion of terror attacks. The Public Security Investigation Agency entered Aleph's facilities for inspection for 26 times and at 63 places between February of 2000 and December of 2001. In their report they have clearly stated that they found nothing dangerous or that may link to a plot or preparation of a future terror attack.
In July of 2000, former Aum Shinrikyo Russian followers were apprehended on suspicion of illegally possessing arms. As we have already made clear on our website and to the press in Japan, the crime was committed by them alone and had nothing to do with us or with the other Russian members of former Aum Shinrikyo. To the contrary we have been providing necessary information to the Public Security authorities of Japan and to those of Russia and cooperated with them in arresting the suspects.
Moreover, this year we have re-established relationship with former Aum Shinrikyo Russian followers to prevent the happening of similar incidents and have dispatched members to Russia to guide and instruct former Russian followers (ref. #12).
In Japan not a few people in socially influential positions in varied fields have made comments in the media on the present state of Aleph. These comments indicate that Aleph poses no specific threats to the society at present. I believe this is a valid indication of Aleph not being a terrorist organization (ref. #13).
I hope this letter has already made clear the fact that Aleph should in no position be listed as a foreign terrorist organization, and I believe your further looking into the attached documents will convince you of it.
I thank you very much for taking time to read this letter.
Yours sincerely,
(Ms.) Tatsuko Muraoka
Representative
Religious organization Aleph
The only reason why they're still internationally recognized as a terrorist organization is because of their past, and because some members of the current organization still hold Asahara as an enlightened leader figure- but it doesn't mean they agree with the extremes he went to.
Additionally, they have recently divided into two organizations. The new organization is called 'Circle of Light' or something along those lines in Japanese, and have further declared their severed ties with Asahara.
